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USER0005 26th June 2022 08:44


Don’t like a point? Ignore it or make your argument back without the need to play the man.
I wasn't playing the man, just there is, in some postings more than a small amount of schadenfreude when discussing the situation at Flybe, which I reckon with one or two exceptions posters have no inside info on, it pure conjecture - as indeed is my take above.

I don't believe that pointing out that whatever the cause this quote

If this scenario was correct then its hardly a good omen
from my post above is hardly a ringing endorsement of what appears to be happening within the business presently.

Your final paragraph is spot on the money; it will be very interesting to see, if we were ever to find out, how they are standing up on key routes, particularly BHX/BHD in terms of passenger number and yield. Culling routes that aren't performing needs to be ruthless, as they are with are with the like of Ryanair and EasyJet as well as the very much maligned Wizz.

biddedout 26th June 2022 09:35

The effort and cost that went into trying to hang onto the remedy slots over the last two years suggests that they have no intention of giving up on them. This temporary alleviation gives them a bit of breathing space and it will be interesting to see where they re-appear in the winter schedule. I can imagine that the current east westish network is as much about managing crewing and engineering logistics as they get started. Immediate profit on all routes would be great, but probably isn't the immediate priority. Presumably the LBA night-stopping airframe is swapped with the BHD most mornings to minimise engineering costs as they build up BHD as an engineering hub. All clever cost management stuff but a bit nerve-wracking from an operational point of view with limited airframes. Ironically, these issues can provide short term opportunities such as using the leased in fixed price jet night-stopping in LBA to avoid paying additional hotac costs for BHX crew and engineering support. I can't imagine the ATR being used into LHR.

SWBKCB 26th June 2022 09:52


Ironically, these issues can provide short term opportunities such as using the leased in fixed price jet night-stopping in LBA to avoid paying additional hotac costs
It's been night-stopping in Belfast?

Wycombe 26th June 2022 14:28


I can't imagine the ATR being used into LHR.
It has been at least twice over the last few days

jamestkirk 26th June 2022 15:39

Unfortunately we won’t know until a trading statement is released or we look at the company accounts. Which will be circa late 2023.

JobsaGoodun 26th June 2022 17:10


Originally Posted by jamestkirk (Post 11252011)
Unfortunately we won’t know until a trading statement is released or we look at the company accounts. Which will be circa late 2023.

As a private company, I think the likelihood of getting any trading or financial information is highly unlikely. The current owners have a history of saying very little publicly.

davidjohnson6 26th June 2022 17:21

The accounts up to 31-Mar-2022 (ie just before flights launched in a serious way) are due at Companies House by 31-Dec-2022, and will likely appear on the web by early January. This will show the costs incurred in starting the airline and other interesting info. If you want to see *reliable* operating financial data, then expect to wait another 18 months
If you have access, RDC Apex should give good estimates
Otherwise, CAA data is all there is in the public domain

CaptainActor 26th June 2022 21:08

Yes, agree with you and JTK. The 18 months will be an interesting read on companies house.

Wycombe 27th June 2022 14:06


now we just need an explanation for the bizarre pricing on 5-6 other routes?
Elsewhere on social media, a contact from within BEE is reporting "we are making a lot of schedule adjustments this Summer. Fares will be back down soon"

Meanwhile, Emerald have announced BHD to CWL and SOU (a route BEE also intend to introduce in late July) starting in a couple of weeks

cavokblues 28th June 2022 08:19

All removed from sale, apparently, according to SeanM on Twitter

Belfast City - East Midlands
Belfast City - Edinburgh (2 of 3 daily)
Belfast City - Glasgow (1 of 3 daily)




bean 28th June 2022 10:02

Non proffesional speculation network

USER0005 28th June 2022 10:10


Originally Posted by bean (Post 11252832)
Non proffesional speculation network

But generally quite accurate for all that.

SWBKCB 28th June 2022 10:44


Originally Posted by cavokblues (Post 11252763)
All removed from sale, apparently, according to SeanM on Twitter

Belfast City - East Midlands
Belfast City - Edinburgh (2 of 3 daily)
Belfast City - Glasgow (1 of 3 daily)


https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status...96803032256512

To be fair to Sean M, he says the flights have been removed from Google fights - not that they have been removed from sale altogether. Still available on the Flybe website, albeit at a high price.

N123JB 28th June 2022 21:29


Originally Posted by bean (Post 11252832)
Non proffesional speculation network

"Rumour - be circulated as an unverified account"

Nothing speculative about saying Flybe has dramatically raised fares on certain flights and removed them from sale on outside channels. Nor is it speculative to point out there are several examples of airlines dramatically raising fares to deter people from booking for a variety of reasons. If you want to reach a conclusion based on that then that's on you. Make of it what you will.

Wycombe 29th June 2022 07:17

One of the awaited/overdue Dash's scheduled for delivery was noted test-flying out of MST yesterday, so hopefully making its way into service soon?

As for the posts above, it does all seem to fit with the Flybe source who confirmed that schedule adjustments were underway and that the high fares on some routes were part of this process.

bean 29th June 2022 08:07


Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 11253278)
One of the awaited/overdue Dash's scheduled for delivery was noted test-flying out of MST yesterday, so hopefully making its way into service soon?

As for the posts above, it does all seem to fit with the Flybe source who confirmed that schedule adjustments were underway and that the high fares on some routes were part of this process.

Wycombe. You and i are singing from the same hymn sheet and same sources. Let's not identyfy them to the same negative whingers who want to see an airline die before it has properly gestated other wise the sources we have will be simarlarly tainted by toxicity



cavokblues 29th June 2022 08:11

CAA Airport stats are out

Hard to really read anything into them as only two routes without competition

East Midlands - Amsterdam -2483 pax to and from.
Leeds - Heathrow - 990 pax to and from .

Not sure on seat capacity, is it a daily fight between East Midlands and Amsterdam and 12 flights a week each way between Leeds and Heathrow?

Wycombe 29th June 2022 08:59

Looks like the leased-in Swift Air ATR had a turn-back shortly after departing BHD for LBA this morning.

davidjohnson6 29th June 2022 11:04

When is the schedule change / pricing policy update expected to be completed ? Not just some routes but all routes either showing real prices or zero availability

Potential pax need a clear picture of what will and won't operate in order to have confidence to book. Every day the website shows silly prices is a day of zero revenue and customers losing faith in flybe as a competent airline

USER0005 29th June 2022 13:49


Originally Posted by cavokblues (Post 11253310)
CAA Airport stats are out

Hard to really read anything into them as only two routes without competition

East Midlands - Amsterdam -2483 pax to and from.
Leeds - Heathrow - 990 pax to and from .

Not sure on seat capacity, is it a daily fight between East Midlands and Amsterdam and 12 flights a week each way between Leeds and Heathrow?

EMA / AMS started at the end of April, so assuming there were no cancellations in May, then 62 sectors would give an average load of 40, so a little more than 50% load factor, not so bad I suppose since the route had only been operating for 2 days before the start of the month. The LBA / LHR figure looks diabolical!


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