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Originally Posted by Wycombe
(Post 11253348)
Looks like the leased-in Swift Air ATR had a turn-back shortly after departing BHD for LBA this morning.
The Marathon E175 looks to consistently operate to schedule :-) |
so all that unprofessional speculation was pretty accurate… |
Originally Posted by BA318
(Post 11257109)
https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status...SKH8JwmsSz4eyw
so all that unprofessional speculation was pretty accurate… |
Originally Posted by cavokblues
(Post 11257115)
Yet the Leeds - Heathrow route remains. I would say there are bigger markets in those cut routes than flying, on average, 10 pax, down to London from Yorkshire twice a day.
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We'll operate the routes below during Summer 2022, but at a reduced frequency:
A message from Dave Pflieger, CEO.Due to late aircraft deliveries, we must reduce our planned flight schedule from 28 July to 29 October 2022,This is not a decision we’ve have taken lightly, and as you would expect we are in daily conversations with all involved to see if anything might change that would allow us to resume our original plans at an earlier date. It is essential that we take action now to ensure you have enough time to change your travel plans, be reaccommodated on a different flight or, if that is not desired, obtain a full refund. |
What happens to the aircraft being leased in, eg the E175 from Marathon Air ? Termination of lease ?
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 11251817)
Flybe are trying to operate a route network with too few airframes, which has already resulted in sub chartering to enable them to operate an acceptable level of service on the routes they are running now. Looking at Jethros Fleet List which I appreciate is not "official, but normally pretty accurate, Flybe ought to be taking delivery of three additional Dash 8s, none of which appear to be arriving any time soon at BHX. All the routes that "SeanM" has highlighted are yet to start, so it looks very much as though they have information internally as to the likely timescales for the eventual delivery of these three, and subsequent units and decided that, financially and from a customer service standpoint, delaying the start of these routes is infinitely preferable to throwing money into chartering yet more aircraft in, which is surely not budgeted for. If this scenario was correct then its hardly a good omen, but better than killing the business with either extra costs, or tarnishing (some might say further tarnishing) the airline's reputation. I am sure all will become clear in the new few days, possibly weeks. After a torrent of posts since it appears to sum up exactly the position, and is a sound, if difficult and embarrassing business decision to have been made. One assumes they have commitments from the lessors that by the end of July they will have enough equipment to be able to operate the slimmed down programme without the current subchartered equipment. |
1 more airframe should be operational soon, when it's back from Malta. |
Very unfortunate that Flybe have had to make these decisions, however it's a testament to good management at v2 that they're making big changes now rather than tickle around the edges.
I’m sorry, but I beg to differ. When I was offered the chance to do some training for them in Jan 2021 to help the crews get back to currency, talking to some people working for the Administrators the prospective management hadn’t got a clue what was going on. Fast forward a year and we see the quite frankly amazing route structure and you’ve got to wonder what kind of long term plan these people have other than to make a quick buck and head for the hills. All those ex Flybe D8’s, of which I flew every last one of them, have been sitting around for 2 years now and if the “Management” are so damn good, why haven’t they been delivered in order to meet the schedule.? I personally believe it’s sheer incompetence, but no doubt Bean or Air Southwest will be along anytime soon to tell me I haven’t got a clue what I’m talking about and I don’t have the “big picture”. |
BusterHot,
Appreciate your points, however there are shortages of parts for vehicles and many sectors currently and it is very possible that the problems causing delays in delivery of the expected airframes stem from such an issue. As for the route structure, aside from the LHR routes they are, so far pretty logical. |
Appreciate your points, however there are shortages of parts for vehicles and many sectors currently and it is very possible that the problems causing delays in delivery of the expected airframes stem from such an issue. |
Originally Posted by BusterHot
(Post 11257368)
Very unfortunate that Flybe have had to make these decisions, however it's a testament to good management at v2 that they're making big changes now rather than tickle around the edges.
All those ex Flybe D8’s, of which I flew every last one of them, have been sitting around for 2 years now and if the “Management” are so damn good, why haven’t they been delivered in order to meet the schedule.? I personally believe it’s sheer incompetence, but no doubt Bean or Air Southwest will be along anytime soon to tell me I haven’t got a clue what I’m talking about and I don’t have the “big picture”. |
Originally Posted by TartinTon
(Post 11257420)
Probably because of what you just said. They've been sitting around for 2 years in not exactly hot and dry locations (Saarbrucken/Weeze) and the lessors haven't been taking remedial care of them hence the ridiculous amount of time required to get the hulls back into airworthy shape.
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Originally Posted by BA318
(Post 11257158)
The statement can be found here: https://www.flybe.com/en/support/summer2022
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 11257617)
As I've said before Flybe has a contract with the lessor to deliver the aircraft, it's the lessors responsibility to get the aircraft delivered on time and make sure those aircraft stayed in a serviceable condition for the last two years. From experience most lessors will do the bare minimum to them to keep them legal without paying out big money to keep them ready to fly away in days. Flybe signed the original contract last year so they've given the lessor & maintenance plenty of time to get these aircraft ready. Unfortunately, it hasn't worked out as anticipated which is very disappointing! I have to actually wonder myself why they didn't purchase a few Q400s to have a bit more control of availability rather than solely relying on leasing.
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Ryanair are going to provide some competition. Launching BFS to STN, EDI, MAN and EMA.
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All things BE will be getting the lessors to ramp up. Just about sums up the approach. Remind us again how long the launch of the airline was delayed? |
Originally Posted by RogueOne
(Post 11257740)
But I'm sure you know better about the inner workings of Flybe.
Flybe tried to go up against others and didn’t have the equipment or a plan. Now passengers who trusted Flybe will have to make alternative arrangements likely at a higher cost as it’s now closer to their travel dates. All the cheerleaders told us everything was sorted, Flybe had the pick of planes and chose the best. Emerald doesn’t seem to have had similar issues sourcing a regional jet fleet so evidently it was possible, or at least possible to sell seats based on what was realistic. If the lessor specifically promised planes by a certain date any decent contract should have some kind of compensation clause so you’d hope they at least get something out of this. |
Originally Posted by TartinTon
(Post 11257420)
Probably because of what you just said. They've been sitting around for 2 years in not exactly hot and dry locations (Saarbrucken/Weeze) and the lessors haven't been taking remedial care of them hence the ridiculous amount of time required to get the hulls back into airworthy shape.
I'll get my coat. |
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