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When Flybe v1 went bust in early 2020... why were the aircraft stored in northern Europe, rather than somewhere like Teruel ? Or, if Covid prevented that from happening initially... why were the aircraft not moved in maybe June or July 2020 ? Was it simply leasing companies panicking about a severe outflow of cash and worried that they would go bankrupt ?
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 11257771)
When Flybe v1 went bust in early 2020... why were the aircraft stored in northern Europe, rather than somewhere like Teruel ? Or, if Covid prevented that from happening initially... why were the aircraft not moved in maybe June or July 2020 ? Was it simply leasing companies panicking about a severe outflow of cash and worried that they would go bankrupt ?
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I don't know a huge amount about the mechanics of leasing aircraft.... but when one plans to enter into a contract for a few months, is it normal to do a (brief) test flight - i.e. up in the air and fly a bit around the airfield - and get an engineer to do a brief inspection of the aircraft prior to signing with wet ink ? If the aircraft is in a poor state, I'd be rather dubious about relying on it verbal promises of "don't worry, we'll patch it up"
When buying a house, I'd want to do a survey at my own cost before putting in an offer, and then (post exchange, pre completion) I'd want to have another brief look around the property to make sure there's been no disasters (i.e. roof has not collapsed). Footballers get a thorough medical before any transfer document gets signed If some sort of inspection pre-signing is normal, why were the technical issues with the planned-to-be-leased aircraft not spotted in advance ? Apologies if this sounds terribly naive, and I'm not trying to have a go at Flybe, but I'm just genuinely puzzled as to why Flybe hasn't got the aircraft it expected from lessors, in the condition it expected |
Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 11257850)
Another anti Flybe post by you BA318, it's kind of getting boring & predictable now. Have you even ever worked in the airline industry???
I missed the memo that I have to be supportive of Flybe. As I’ve said before we’re each entitled to our views and this is a forum to discuss it. I’m sure Bean will be along shortly to back you up though. |
Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 11257855)
I don't know a huge amount about the mechanics of leasing aircraft.... but when one plans to enter into a contract for a few months, is it normal to do a (brief) test flight - i.e. up in the air and fly a bit around the airfield - and get an engineer to do a brief inspection of the aircraft prior to signing with wet ink ? If the aircraft is in a poor state, I'd be rather dubious about relying on it verbal promises of "don't worry, we'll patch it up"
When buying a house, I'd want to do a survey at my own cost before putting in an offer, and then (post exchange, pre completion) I'd want to have another brief look around the property to make sure there's been no disasters (i.e. roof has not collapsed). Footballers get a thorough medical before any transfer document gets signed If some sort of inspection pre-signing is normal, why were the technical issues with the planned-to-be-leased aircraft not spotted in advance ? Apologies if this sounds terribly naive, and I'm not trying to have a go at Flybe, but I'm just genuinely puzzled as to why Flybe hasn't got the aircraft it expected from lessors, in the condition it expected Emerald have managed to get their fleet in order and announce new routes when they know they can operate them. |
It is a fair point - according to Jethros fleet lists, Emerald look to have taken 11 ATR72s and Loganair have taken 5 ATRs this year, many of which have come through the same Exeter MRO that Flybe's Q400s have been into. Most of those Emerald and Loganair aircraft have been in storage for a couple of years too and NAC is one of the leasing companies involved all round. The problem is either very specific to the Q400 or specific to Flybe.
The new schedule has them thinly spread across a lot of markets. easyJet, Emerald, Loganair and the likes must be laughing. |
In their defence Bombardier has transferred ownership of the Q400 to a new entity, so that wont have helped. Eastern have recalled a wet-lease E-190 from TAP to cover their unavailable fleet. FlyBe are (by all accounts) a new airline so delays are quite common and their fleet ramp-up was ambitious. That is before difficulties recruiting and getting security checks for crew are taken into account.
I think a few things have happened all at once, rather than one single disaster as flyBe are trying to spin. |
In their defence Bombardier has transferred ownership of the Q400 to a new entity, so that wont have helped. |
The problem is either very specific to the Q400 or specific to Flybe. |
By my reckoning (and using FR24 data per aircraft) Flybe operated 44 sectors with their current 6 aircraft yesterday (4 Q400's and the leased-in ATR72 and E175)
That is impressive utilisation, but also means there is little room for things to go wrong. Worth also pointing out that there were only a couple of those 44 sectors with a delay of around 1hr or less (nothing worse than that), and the vast majority operated to schedule (or in the case of the E175 sectors, some a bit early) One can only hope that this continues and that some decent no's are being carried. Having said that, and referring to some of the posts above, one hopes that the decision to go with an aircraft that is out of production, and where the OEM is no longer directly involved are not proving to be a big risk to the success of this venture. |
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Originally Posted by RogueOne
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Very unfortunate that Flybe have had to make these decisions, however it's a testament to good management at v2 that they're making big changes now rather than tickle around the edges.
It's through no real fault of Flybe, more on the head of the lessors and their inability to deliver additional Q400 airframes. Flybe uniquely affected by this, and the regional operation reliant on the Q400 and its unavailability. 1 more airframe should be operational soon, when it's back from Malta. |
On time performance seems a lot better the past week. If they can keep it up it will help to be a real differentiation between them and their rivals.
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A shame just as flights were operating consistently on schedule. I hope LHR plan to compensate carriers accordingly. Does anyone know if they will continue to operate just with the passengers already sold tickets or these are effectively cancelled? |
"I hope LHR plan to compensate carriers accordingly."
ho ho ho |
Flights are still planned to operate although LHR is also to impose mandatory cancellations targetted by terminal and time slots which they will apparently inform the airlines of today
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G-JECL droned overhead Alton yesterday at 1325 heading for Exeter.
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