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BHX5DME 30th April 2022 18:36


Originally Posted by cavokblues (Post 11223345)
It's a forum about an airline. People are allowed to talk about how the routes have started. So many sensitive souls on here.

And, tbh, I don't think many airlines spend much time 'building routes' these days. If they don't work sharpish they will pull them and put them somewhere the aircraft will make money.

Leeds - Heathrow on Tuesday has 3 people on the seat reservations. Some of the flights back on Wednesday have 0.

It's clear BHX - BHD is doing well on the loads.

But then again, I've only been pushing buttons at the pointy end for 14 years so what do I know!?

AMS-BHX had 78 pax Friday

cavokblues 30th April 2022 18:41

That's very impressive!

dixi188 30th April 2022 18:45


Originally Posted by BHX5DME (Post 11223362)
AMS-BHX had 78 pax Friday

For those who don't know, the Q400 has 78 seats, so that was full.

V_2 30th April 2022 20:20


Originally Posted by dixi188 (Post 11223366)
For those who don't know, the Q400 has 78 seats, so that was full.

and for those that don’t know AMS has had mass cancellations recently due to ground staff shortages/strikes and pax are getting rerouted via any route they can to the UK. (Not sure about Friday but today 2/3 of KLMs BHX rotations were cancelled).Great for Flybe revenue short term but I’d take any load factors with a bucket of salt

USER0005 30th April 2022 21:03

Load factors count for little, yield is everything.

BA318 30th April 2022 21:04


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11223409)
Load factors count for little, yield is everything.

Especially when you start running multiple late flights and having cancellations which all cost money for duty of care and delay compensation.

Skipness One Foxtrot 30th April 2022 21:08


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11223409)
Load factors count for little, yield is everything.

Oh come on, there is also a fairly high correlation between high loads and profitability. It is possible to have high loads and lose money but it is not something that lasts long. Unless you're Eastern Airways levels of fares, in the modern UK short haul market, you need to fill an aeroplane to make real money.


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 11223338)
Jesus christ they've only just launched some of these routes, it's clear most of the people commenting on here have no real world aviation experience. As industry insiders know it takes time for publicity for a route to build, especially for a new airline with a limited budget. I wish certain armchair experts would just stop giving their opinions as facts or statements.

​​​​​​What "new airline" is this of which you speak? Surely not the well known and beloved flybe returning to market? Chill out, and unless you're an actual CEO, the same applies to you! :)

Albert Hall 30th April 2022 21:58

Air southwest’s comment is just mad. For all I know, they could be Christine Ourneres and for all they know, I could be Willie Walsh. In that example, I am sure neither is the case but beyond that, on here - you just don’t know. To criticise armchair experts is to assume you know who anyone is here and that is a presumption too far.

The breeze 30th April 2022 23:19


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11223409)
Load factors count for little, yield is everything.


50 passengers at £70 is better than 1 passenger at £200, therefore yield definitely not everything.

Deary me.

BHX5DME 1st May 2022 08:26


Originally Posted by The breeze (Post 11223454)
50 passengers at £70 is better than 1 passenger at £200, therefore yield definitely not everything.

Deary me.

Lots of high fares next week, so yield looks good :-)

Choose your flight
Belfast City (BHD) to Birmingham (BHX)



191.99 GBP
Select flight
19:50
BHD
01h 10m
21:00
BHX
flybe
BE 419

https://www.flybe.com/reservation/ib...llt=&agentId=&
Only3 seats left at this price

226.99 GBP
Select flight

Wycombe 1st May 2022 09:40


Originally Posted by BHX5DME (Post 11223362)
AMS-BHX had 78 pax Friday

This was the day that the EMA and BHX from AMS were merged (as the schedule was about 2.5hrs down) - see earlier post above

Alteagod 1st May 2022 11:08

And with the baggage charges at the gate for the valet service on trolley bags, they are probably lifting sizable revenues

AirportPlanner1 1st May 2022 13:31


Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 11223594)
This was the day that the EMA and BHX from AMS were merged (as the schedule was about 2.5hrs down) - see earlier post above

So either by great fortune exactly the right number were booked or some people were left behind

mart901 1st May 2022 14:01


Originally Posted by BHX5DME (Post 11223562)
Lots of high fares next week, so yield looks good :-)

Choose your flight
Belfast City (BHD) to Birmingham (BHX)



191.99 GBP
Select flight
19:50
BHD
01h 10m
21:00
BHX
flybe
BE 419

https://www.flybe.com/reservation/ib...llt=&agentId=&
Only3 seats left at this price

226.99 GBP
Select flight

Total lack of capacity at the moment, EIR only operating 1x daily and U2 have some seats sitting at £441 one way back BHX-BFS so great time to have seats available for sale! It's possible to pay almost £800 return next week.

I may be wrong but fairly certain U2 have cut capacity from what I remember they had on sale.

cavokblues 1st May 2022 14:37

Messing about on google flights and Flybe come out as an option on most of their routes aside from Leeds - Heathrow. When I put that option in it only shows BA from Manchester?

I'm not sure if google flights is a big driver of bookings but it can't be a bad thing if they fix that to get themselves showing on there. Flybe are about £80-£90 cheaper than the train next week on that city pairing.

LGS6753 1st May 2022 16:53

If new FlyBe are able to take advantage of reduced capacity from competitors, and cancellations from/to AMS, it's good fortune to them. Let's hope it helps them get (re-)established sooner!

ZULUBOY 1st May 2022 20:02

Yet to see BE1026 from AMS to BHX take off on time since it started. Nearly 3 hours late this evening.

Wycombe 1st May 2022 22:03


Originally Posted by ZULUBOY (Post 11223850)
Yet to see BE1026 from AMS to BHX take off on time since it started. Nearly 3 hours late this evening.

Only fair to point out that KLM have also had some multi-hour delays on the route in recent days.

ZULUBOY 2nd May 2022 06:38


Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 11223892)
Only fair to point out that KLM have also had some multi-hour delays on the route in recent days.

Cheers. I was only looking as I am due on it in a couple of weeks

CaptainActor 2nd May 2022 12:17

circa 5 hours delay on Birmingham Belfast the other night. Looks like it was cancelled in the end but not sure. lots of other delays too.

Not great reviews on trustpilot. Still (but carried over from V.1) a 81% poor rating.

I really do hope they make a success of it as they do have great crews working for them.


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