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brian_dromey 12th June 2022 18:15


Originally Posted by RW20 (Post 11245061)
If this happens it would be disastrous for SOU,
The demise of Flybe 1 almost destroyed the airport!
With the economic situation at the moment SOU is struggling to.survive,with PAX numbers very suppressed.
Flybe is not the answer,and BA operation has not been advertised enough to make it a success.
SOU needs its runway extension to continue as a viable operation,but it is not going to be easy with the on going economic situation,and world turmoil.

I doubt flyBe would be disastrous for SOU, at least they will get some passengers through the door. I doubt a serious attempts at an SOU base/focus city by easyJet or Ryanair would be scuppered by a few Q400s on Domestic routes. Who knows how long flyBe will survive and what their business model will evolve into. Mid-life Q400s will need to be replaced at some point and they are not made anymore. If they stay with turboprops it will have to be the ATR, maybe they will graduate to the A220 or secondhand 737NG/A32X.

RW20 12th June 2022 18:46

Certainly Ryanair will never come to SOU!
Easy jet possible limited operation ,due stand space,
However I can't see FYbe 2 making any indentations on the domestic routes,and A220/737, purchase
Is in the realms of fantasy!!

allan1987 12th June 2022 20:24


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11245058)
BHD/EDI starts 23rd July, I had it in my mind that there were other increases in services and new routes this month.


BHD/EDI starts on 23 June,

There is talk flybe may have to lease 1 or 2 ATR 72-600,
not sure where is this coming from though as there is delay in parts for the Q400

USER0005 13th June 2022 07:32


Originally Posted by allan1987 (Post 11245135)
BHD/EDI starts on 23 June,

Sorry, I am an idiot; I checked the Flybe website before posting, and still managed to type July instead of June!

willy wombat 13th June 2022 07:52

Little bit of schadenfreude if the promoters of how much better the dash 8 is than the ATR have to be bailed out by a couple of 72s.

brian_dromey 13th June 2022 08:35


Originally Posted by RW20 (Post 11245085)
Certainly Ryanair will never come to SOU!
Easy jet possible limited operation ,due stand space,
However I can't see FYbe 2 making any indentations on the domestic routes,and A220/737, purchase
Is in the realms of fantasy!!

My post was trying to understand why you thing flyBe offering flights from SOU would be a disaster for the airport and its future? My point was that easyJet/Wizz/Ryanair or IAG would not be too bothered one way or the other about flyBe. The kind of routes flyBe are likely to offer are of little interest to any of them - other than BHD and DUB for EI who seem unfazed by flyBe at other airports.

My point about the future fleet is that the Q400 is out of production and Bombardier have sold off the remains. Assuming flyBe survive for long enough, they will have to re-fleet at some stage. Far from being a fantasy, if maintenance and support aren’t forthcoming (which it appears it may not be) flyBes fleet will become a pressing question.

I understand the owners just wanted to pick everything up from before - but flyBe did operate the ATR as well. Teh leases on these Q400s must be peanuts….

davidjohnson6 13th June 2022 08:40


Originally Posted by allan1987 (Post 11245135)
There is talk flybe may have to lease 1 or 2 ATR 72-600, not sure where is this coming from though as there is delay in parts for the Q400

Wet lease or dry lease ? If a wet lease, who are the likely airlines with spare ATRs ?

TartinTon 13th June 2022 21:44


Originally Posted by RW20 (Post 11245061)
If this happens it would be disastrous for SOU,
The demise of Flybe 1 almost destroyed the airport!
With the economic situation at the moment SOU is struggling to.survive,with PAX numbers very suppressed.
Flybe is not the answer,and BA operation has not been advertised enough to make it a success.
SOU needs its runway extension to continue as a viable operation,but it is not going to be easy with the on going economic situation,and world turmoil.

Probably one of the more stupid posts I have seen on here for a while and there's been a few!
How can an airline starting operations from a restricted airfield that is crying out for operators with the right type of aircraft be "not the answer" when it would probably be a housing estate by now were it not for Flybe mk1?

Flybe1 was the ONLY airline prepared to make a significant investment in the airport previously and is probably the best hope for the airport today.

Let's face it, the airport hasn't exactly covered itself in glory in getting the significant operational restrictions sorted out in the intervening years, has it?

As a local you should be welcoming them in with open arms instead of pinning your hopes on a ridiculous dream of painting the airfield orange because that will never happen.

As for BA (Cityflyer..not mainline)..the only reason they are there is because LCY is closed Sat pm through Sun am. No other reason.

USER0005 15th June 2022 06:46

Marathon Airlines E170 is presently winging its way towards BHD as BEE170P to operate BE142 to GLA. It will be interesting to see whether this is just for a couple of rotations, or a longer term arrangement. Have they bitten the bullet and brought capacity in short term to cover maintenance of the current fleet?

bean 15th June 2022 07:05


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11246291)
Marathon Airlines E170 is presently winging its way towards BHD as BEE170P to operate BE142 to GLA. It will be interesting to see whether this is just for a couple of rotations, or a longer term arrangement. Have they bitten the bullet and brought capacity in short term to cover maintenance of the current fleet?

It's not maintenance, it's damage caused by a heavy landing

USER0005 15th June 2022 07:30


Originally Posted by bean (Post 11246299)
It's not maintenance, it's damage caused by a heavy landing

Whoops! So probably will require longer term sub-chartering, and not a little extra expense. I suppose they should be thankful they could lay their hands on cover at all given the state of the European industry at the moment.

Wycombe 15th June 2022 09:32


Originally Posted by bean (Post 11246299)
It's not maintenance, it's damage caused by a heavy landing

Reported elsewhere that G-ECOR is the aircraft involved. Hasn't flown since last Friday 10/6

Mooncrest 15th June 2022 10:29


Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 11246377)
Reported elsewhere that G-ECOR is the aircraft involved. Hasn't flown since last Friday 10/6

It was last seen on Monday afternoon performing engine runs outside the LBA hangars.

Sotonsean 17th June 2022 00:35

TartinTon..Quote="Probably one of the more stupid posts I have seen on here for a while"

Well I don't recommend you reading the SOU thread as there are many similar posts!. They are beyond ridiculous at times and always the same rhetoric. As SOU is my local airport I find the thread quite depressing with the same individual 's' rehashing the same garbage.


Originally Posted by TartinTon (Post 11245638)
Probably one of the more stupid posts I have seen on here for a while and there's been a few!
How can an airline starting operations from a restricted airfield that is crying out for operators with the right type of aircraft be "not the answer" when it would probably be a housing estate by now were it not for Flybe mk1?

Flybe1 was the ONLY airline prepared to make a significant investment in the airport previously and is probably the best hope for the airport today.

Let's face it, the airport hasn't exactly covered itself in glory in getting the significant operational restrictions sorted out in the intervening years, has it?

As a local you should be welcoming them in with open arms instead of pinning your hopes on a ridiculous dream of painting the airfield orange because that will never happen.

As for BA (Cityflyer..not mainline)..the only reason they are there is because LCY is closed Sat pm through Sun am. No other reason.


SWBKCB 17th June 2022 06:29


Originally Posted by Sotonsean (Post 11247335)
TartinTon..Quote="Probably one of the more stupid posts I have seen on here for a while"

Well I don't recommend you reading the SOU thread as there are many similar posts!. They are beyond ridiculous at times and always the same rhetoric. As SOU is my local airport I find the thread quite depressing with the same individual 's' rehashing the same garbage.

Pressing the 'like' button....

SWBKCB 17th June 2022 06:48


Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 11246377)
Reported elsewhere that G-ECOR is the aircraft involved. Hasn't flown since last Friday 10/6

Operating LBA-LHR this morning

bean 17th June 2022 08:06


Originally Posted by Sotonsean (Post 11247335)
TartinTon..Quote="Probably one of the more stupid posts I have seen on here for a while"

Well I don't recommend you reading the SOU thread as there are many similar posts!. They are beyond ridiculous at times and always the same rhetoric. As SOU is my local airport I find the thread quite depressing with the same individual 's' rehashing the same garbage.

Stupid posts on this forum? I DON'T BELIEVE IT
Not

Stormonttrooper 17th June 2022 10:20

BE142 seems to be Marathon Airlines E175 today

EGTE 17th June 2022 11:41

G-ECOR has flown to Exeter for some TLC this lunch time.

MATaxi 17th June 2022 12:56


Originally Posted by Sotonsean (Post 11247335)
TartinTon..Quote="Probably one of the more stupid posts I have seen on here for a while"

Well I don't recommend you reading the SOU thread as there are many similar posts!. They are beyond ridiculous at times and always the same rhetoric. As SOU is my local airport I find the thread quite depressing with the same individual 's' rehashing the same garbage.

Ridiculous posts abound which is a shame. However , Southampton really doesn't need a three way battle between Eastern , Loganair and FlyBe2 over all the same old same old destinations. This is only good for the consumer in the short term until one or two pull away from the fight leaving the one remaining who then whacks the price back up to eye-watering and an airport that hopes that they don't repeat the example of FlyBe1.There are only so many people that want the same old seats to the same destinations.

A small variety of carriers serving a variety of destinations is what the demographic requires here IMO. The Orange team and the Purple team have "gently" been enquiring but neither are talking about being "full-on" and obvs, not until the changes are made.


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