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Curious Pax 1st October 2017 17:48


Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 9910065)
A310 C-FDAT and A332 C-GTSZ are on stand by in BOD with the rest of the crew resting in Manchester.

FWIW 330 C-GUFR is also there.

LAX_LHR 1st October 2017 17:50

As is C-GJDA (I think that's the correct reg). But I believe this one is here on maintence.

runway30 1st October 2017 17:52


Originally Posted by daz211 (Post 9910075)
I was wondering the same thing just say the ATOL runs out at 2359 would a flight scheduled to land back in the UK at say 0230 be able to operate I'm guessing it would but to be honest I'm not sure.

It depends if the airline is going into administration. If it isn't, then it won't affect passengers of the airline when the ATOL expires. If the airline does go into administration then all aircraft will return to home base.

toledoashley 1st October 2017 17:57

What happens when the last wave start arriving back at base will give us a clue.

Matty J 1st October 2017 18:01

So this is it then? This really is the end of Monarch? An airline thats been around for as long as i can remember and whom I've travelled with many times.

IMO the mistake was made when they pulled out of Long Haul and decided to focus on short haul, that decision from a business point was absolutely ridiculous. The market is absolutely saturated and yet they chose to compete with Ryanair/EasyJet/Vueling/Norwegian/Wizz Air/Jet2/ and all the other charter airlines!

What they should have done was pulled short haul and beat Norwegian to the punch on the long haul market. I flew to SFB several times over the years and all flights were full and this was NOT in kids holidays! They could have focused on the key destinations popular with Brits such as SFB/CUN/BGI/POP/LRM/MBJ/UVF/ANU/STT/GND/TAB//HOG even SXM and a whole host more! Thats without winter destinations to the east like HKT/MRU/GOI/MBA and others. Nobody has offered any competition to Norwegian and look how they have grown and grown.

There's more than enough long haul destinations there to keep them busy 365 days a year.

A sad day for aviation all caused by a group of morons in a board room somewhere with no clue on how to run a successful business!

southside bobby 1st October 2017 18:01

Only referring to UK airliners & airborne out of the UK,they have also in the olden days been ordered to return to base & turned round after a collapse of the company....
The receivers & administrators always require assets v close to hand...
So I would imagine the same would apply to assets scheduled back to the UK.

Cazza_fly 1st October 2017 18:05

The last scheduled departures of the day ex-UK are at 2250 and 2255 to IBZ from LGW and BHX respectively.

Chidken Sangwich 1st October 2017 18:07

Southside

I don't disagree with your comments, but there is no getting away from the fact the CAA DID waste £millions of tax payers money this time last year by pre positioning 747's all over Europe!

That was the first time that the CAA have ever 'knee jerked' and caused additional instability of a business as well as making the WRONG call and I hope (despite the sheer waste of £'m's) that they again end up with egg on their face.

I also hope if it plays out and MON continue to exist that somebody's head rolls at the CAA due to the utter waste of taxpayers money by again flying empty aeroplanes half way round the world for no good reason.

CCGE29 1st October 2017 18:09

Thomas Cook calling in extra crews for tomorrow AM. Could be related?

Jonty 1st October 2017 18:14

Just want to say good luck to everyone at Monarch tonight.

Fingers (and just about everything else) crossed for you.

EastMids 1st October 2017 18:15


Originally Posted by Chidken Sangwich (Post 9910116)
That was the first time that the CAA have ever 'knee jerked' and caused additional instability of a business as well as making the WRONG call and I hope (despite the sheer waste of £'m's) that they again end up with egg on their face.

The only thing causing instability to the business is Monarch itself. The ATOL bond doesn't come like a bolt from the blue - it's carefully orchestrated and needs to be discharged on a well known date. Surely a responsible management team backed by adequate funding should never be allowing this game of brinksmanship with the regulator to continue playing out a day after the arrangements were meant to be concluded.

The CAA are caught between a rock and a hard place. The criticism for mobilising backup resources will be nothing compared to what would be levelled at them should the business collapse and thousands are stranded in airports around the Med, running out of money and unable to get back home expediently. On balance, I suggest they are doing the right thing if they are making contingency preparations - especially given what has happened previously.

The96er 1st October 2017 18:18


I don't disagree with your comments, but there is no getting away from the fact the CAA DID waste £millions of tax payers money this time last year by pre positioning 747's all over Europe!
I'm not sure any tax payer money was used. The CAA is classed as a public corporation with no direct government funding.

Fuel Crossfeed 1st October 2017 18:20

Well said Jonty.
Best wishes & good luck to all at Monarch.

01475 1st October 2017 18:21

From my experience in the bean counting industry, any negative announcement would be made while all the planes were not on foreign soil to avoid foreign airports impounding planes, which would be a pig to deal with even just in translation costs!

I'd just feel really surprised if the airline didn't exist tomorrow though; it seems to me that too many bits of it are worth too much to too many people.

southside bobby 1st October 2017 18:21

Just `being` in long haul is not in itself nirvana...
Long Haul Norwegian you highlight could be classed as a "disruptor"...
Long haul is rapidly becoming a totally different model being pitched in a totally different way by these new "young thinking" enterprises..(Every dog has his day)..
The only way it appears (well the flag carrier anyway) to play catch up is to put yet another seat into the cross section to compete at least on the costings..

runway30 1st October 2017 18:24

The money comes from the Air Travel Trust Fund. It currently has a surplus of £145 million.

CCGE29 1st October 2017 18:24

Expect Announcement at 03:00-04:00. All aircraft will be on the ground at UK airports or in the air and check-in will not have yet opened for morning flights.

USERNAME_ 1st October 2017 18:31


Originally Posted by CCGE29 (Post 9910140)
Expect Announcement at 03:00-04:00. All aircraft will be on the ground at UK airports or in the air and check-in will not have yet opened for morning flights.


Not true, there are 2 Night Ibizas which will be downroute around that time.

01475 1st October 2017 18:33


Originally Posted by daz211 (Post 9910075)
I was wondering the same thing just say the ATOL runs out at 2359 would a flight scheduled to land back in the UK at say 0230 be able to operate I'm guessing it would but to be honest I'm not sure.

I *think* (I could be wrong; money is my thing rather than airlines in particular) that in this case that would technically be fine? They would still be a legit airline and not *legally* insolvent, so there would be no legal problem?

The problem is that everyone would expect insolvency to follow, and may start requiring cash for airport fees etc.

It seems to me though that this airline has value to other people.

Until I see anything suspicious like 8 planes actually taking off from Doha, or the 225Xs to Ibiza being delayed until after 0000 for no obvious reason, or bookings actually stopping, I'll believe that someone will take it over! Both the names mentioned seem like good fits.

Super VC-10 1st October 2017 18:34

BA parent eyes Monarch assets amid ATOL licence renewal doubts


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