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Captain_Caveman 1st October 2017 16:13

The 8 additional Qatar A320’s will depart Doha starting from 19:00z tonight. Destinations Gatwick and Birmingham ! The other two are still in Stansted

Cazza_fly 1st October 2017 16:15

Should a positive outcome pull out if this tomorrow, Andrew Swaffield should immediately be stood dowm. He is no leader.

CargoOne 1st October 2017 16:16

Very typical - the company having reasonably happy pilots goes under while another company having somewhat unhappy pilots is doing quite ok, actually much better than most others.

daz211 1st October 2017 16:29


Originally Posted by Captain_Caveman (Post 9909973)
The 8 additional Qatar A320’s will depart Doha starting from 19:00z tonight. Destinations Gatwick and Birmingham ! The other two are still in Stansted

If true in my opinion a decision has already been made regarding the ATOL I just can't see the same happening again after bringing in other airlines from all over the world just to send them home again in a few days time.

Cazza_fly 1st October 2017 16:38

If true, seems strange to pos them directly to the UK? If it is the close up of the airline, the chartered flights will only be used to repatriate those overseas pax back to the UK on an ATOL protected holiday surely?

I suppose the only other explanation could be that its easier for the crew to be accommodated in the UK.

However, after last year and the CAA admitting it was an over the top exercise, if they really are on the way I would also say something has been finalised. I would also expect the likes of Titan to be awaiting on standby too... Very sad times. I also feel a bitterness against the management that have directed it in this way. Shameful.

daz211 1st October 2017 16:45

Geek pilot
I suggest you read my post again.

Chidken Sangwich 1st October 2017 16:47


Originally Posted by GeekPilot (Post 9910004)
Looking on Eurocontrol. I can't see this. Are you sure, or trolling?



You mean unlike last year, when the CAA did the same and undermined Monarch?

Trashing the brand and wasting £millions of taxpayers money to which no one has still been held accountable for.

Disgraceful behaviour by a Government agency.

Non-Driver 1st October 2017 16:48


Originally Posted by Sgt367 (Post 9909904)
Another 24 hour reprieve.

Source, Non-Driver?

Sorry, was briefly on the front page of the BBC News as breaking but they seem to have backtracked.

Edit: now I'm confused, they seem to be contradicting themselves ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37524259
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41459453

Chidken Sangwich 1st October 2017 16:54

Probably better if you weren't referencing a story from BBC that's over a year old!

Callsign Kilo 1st October 2017 17:00

I’d suggest very few Monarch pilots are 737 rated.
I’d also suggest very few would consider Ryanair.
With the global pilot market still buoyant, the majority will look elsewhere. Hopefully it won’t come to that though.

daz211 1st October 2017 17:00

.[/quote]
That's fine and forgiven :ok:

On another note I heard that there is a AirTransat A310 on standby in MRS
However this is unconfirmed.

Captain_Caveman 1st October 2017 17:00


Originally Posted by GeekPilot (Post 9910004)
Looking on Eurocontrol. I can't see this. Are you sure, or trolling?


The flights that went into Stansted were filed under BA flight numbers a few days ago. One of my close friends is operating one of the flights and has been called in from standby. The aircraft have been blocked out for at least the next two weeks. The flights are showing in the Qatar Ops system. Always chance of a last min change of plans as originally all 10 were coming to uk a few days ago and in the end only two operated to STN.

Just passing on what I have been told from reliable sources that I trust. I’m certainly not trolling.

southside bobby 1st October 2017 17:09

Chidken Sangwich....This time as last you can lay this firmly at the door of the private equity company...obviously there must be "issues" within the enterprise that is MON which worries the CAA a lot & which none of us are privy too..It could also signal that this time also they are v concerned about MON`s pax falling between the gaps of any carve up of the Empire..
Have the CAA launched a rescue fleet in association with any other operator at any time..
Look....the CAA have a responsibility toward protecting the passengers & full marks to them...you may also argue last time it strong armed private equity to stump up at the last minute,therefore saving the tax payer the cost of all those repatriation flights..

Non-Driver 1st October 2017 17:10


Originally Posted by Chidken Sangwich (Post 9910023)
Probably better if you weren't referencing a story from BBC that's over a year old!

Indeed - check, recheck and check again :ok:

USERNAME_ 1st October 2017 17:17

All seems quiet on the front at the moment.
The last communication from the company to staff was from Mr Swaffield earlier today thanking them for not going sick and telling them all flights left on time.
Very sad times indeed.

Hope Monarch survive this, ditch Swaffield and Greybull and get themselves back like the good old days. Will be weird not seeing Monarch aircraft flying about, would be even worse seeing them painted bright orange or in WizzAir livery.

LAX_LHR 1st October 2017 17:26

A310 C-FDAT and A332 C-GTSZ are on stand by in BOD with the rest of the crew resting in Manchester.

01475 1st October 2017 17:30

Do Monarch have a time by which all their planes would be back home in blighty safely tucked up in a British bed?

southside bobby 1st October 2017 17:32

Captain Caveman IS credible.....
I`m just perhaps clarifying one small item..they arrived STN calling & wearing QTR trip numbers...Perhaps then in the bigger or company systems they were BAW allotted ..
There tho v probably is a BAW connection with their use of QTR A320`s during their strikes & Qatari interests in BAW..& possibly BAW therefore helping the CAA with the sourcing of a fleet...availability being reduced because of natural disaster airlifts around the world.

OxfordGold 1st October 2017 17:35

Monarch is over- the CAA have allowed extra time for a sale to go through. Thank goodness their a/c are not parked up in various parts of Europe tonight.

daz211 1st October 2017 17:40


Originally Posted by 01475 (Post 9910066)
Do Monarch have a time by which all their planes would be back home in blighty safely tucked up in a British bed?

I was wondering the same thing just say the ATOL runs out at 2359 would a flight scheduled to land back in the UK at say 0230 be able to operate I'm guessing it would but to be honest I'm not sure.


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