Nick, I don't fawn over the incumbent managements decisions but that doesn't mean I'm anti Flybe (doesn't mean people should hold grudges either mind). Doesn't mean I'm going to view every tiny bit of Flybe news through Flybe issued rose tints. In fact in its current state most of the things happening at Flybe are necessary evils. That's the reality.

Like you suggest, the benefits of being a shareholder mean I want it to succeed.

the real point is that Flybe have a decent aircraft that suits their current operations and won't break the bank

Lots of airlines make money out of flying turbo-props and the cost benifits are significant - really importnat when you are flying to the sort of places they go to

Assuming that the financials add up, and only the BE management will know that at the present, this deal seems to offer them quite a lot of options and flexibility over the next few years.

The E175 is a great aircraft to fly on, but it can't be made to work on their wider network and they needed out of the previous commitments, so whether we like it or not, that was a pretty big box they needed to tick.

The release says they take on 24 additional Q400's, at an average of one per month, between March 2015 and 2017, whilst 21 are due to leave over a four year period. That suggests roughly an extra 13 Q400's will be active by March 2017. There are still a few active E195's to be replaced, so perhaps a minimum net increase of 8, over 2 years from March 2015, or one every three months, on average. The BE release says they will become the biggest Q400 operator in the World, and to do this, they need to add a net 8, to overhaul Horizon, so the numbers more or less add up.

However, they presumably have the possibility to extend the leases, or purchase outright, the departing frames, which they have just done with the five bought for the LCY expansion, so they could actually grow the Q400 fleet by anything between 3 and 24 frames, over the next four years depending on circumstances and opportunities?

Flybe loose to Blue Islands on Guernsey Southampton route
 

Flybe has announced that it will only operate Soton-GCI at weekends during October, then only one return flight a day from Nov, with a second on Sundays. This coincides with Blue introducing a fourth rotation on weekdays.

Cobopete, that is fantastic news.

LSM you actually need to grow up. How old are you? 12?

Unsure if this question has been asked or if anyone knows, does anyone know when the full summer 2015 schedule is out?

The "voice of the customer" here.

We need competition. I have a choice of flying to Edinburgh from Exeter or Bristol on Monday. Sadly Flybe cannot compete on either cost or comfort so yet again, Easy are getting the business. I want a fast quiet aircraft where my bag fits in the overhead bin and a choice of supplier who can provide both.

The recent announcement suggests that things will not change anytime soon.

Deano, no I don't.

The right aircraft for the right route. Isn't that the latest rationale?

So, you've now got the right aircraft, Q400. (having just offloaded the wrong ones EMB). Remember a few posts previous where I was insulted for not agreeing that this was good news?

Now you're offloading the wrong routes (obviously SOU - Fraggle Rock - SOU isn't one of the right routes, with its current frequency anyway) and you're being left with the right routes and all of a sudden you're insulting me for agreeing that this is good news?

Make your mind up chaps. It seems like excessive noise and vibration can affect rational thought. It's ok though, sips fuel.

What say you CC?

If you go on LSM profile you can add him to your ignore list which means you won't see what he has written when he posts

LSM ignored. thanks for hint with Ignore function.

Every post you make discounting everything that everyone says, read your own posts and maybe you'll see it.

And still you avoid the question, answer the original question that I've now asked you three times. Incase you didn't get it the other two times, here it is again;

Where will you base these jets to enable them to make money in a saturated market competing against A320's & B738's?

Don't forget to take into account the ridiculously bad leasing deal when considering your answer. And we are actually getting 4 more jets for the record.

You are an expert at picking out little quotes from me without actually conveying the facts behind those quotes. If you remember rightly my comment was in response to someone else saying they were knackered out and old (which is a fallacy), so I then said if some dogs of Q400s is all we can afford then so be it. And you say you haven't been sarcastic recently? Read the last sentence in that quote.

It has every relevance to your pathetic and childish crusade against Flybe. And again stick to the facts, show me where I said "knackered old Q400s"??? Oh yes, I didn't. Just incase you missed it the first time, here it is again, the Q400s have an average age of 5.4 years, which is probably 4 x as young as most of your fleet, and why do you think you make money? I'll run it by you incase you struggle with the concept - you own them, think about that for one second and what it means for any business to own their assets.

What? What planet do you live on? Originally I said it was fantastic we got out if the lease agreement for 24 E175s because it was crippling us, I then said it would be fantastic if we were in a position to, or if our previous incompetent lot could've negotiated a lease deal that was fit for purpose. What is your point???

It's far from double standards, we've sat back and watched your bull!!!! for years, I used to respect what you said on here, but over recent times, and I think I speak for the majority, we're sick of reading your nonsense and continued attack on your former employer so I'm standing up to it, if you think that's double standards then a) I won't lay awake tonight worrying about it, and b) that's your issue.

Your sarcasm is pathetic

I don't get your point, what is it exactly? A customer has his own criteria for what he wants out if his journey and because this one person says this, does it mean Flybe has completely the wrong approach and business model? Any idiot can see that a customer who goes to Bristol instead of flying Flybe doesn't mean Flybe has it wrong. I won't ever fly with your outfit, why not? Because I don't want to clamp my ass to a knackered out, 20+ year old 737. Does that make your business model wrong? I won't ever fly Ryanair, not ever. Does that make their business? model wrong? What about our other 7m passengers? It's what our forefathers fought for, it's called freedom of choice. Now reverting back to an original question, let's stick a poorly financed jet in Exeter to attract this person and fly it to Edinburgh, how do you propose Flybe make money out of it without putting the price up enough that stops the masses from running up the M5 to Bristol??? I'd love to hear it.

Now where's that ignore button.

Coffin corner, trust me once you put on that ignore button it's as good as him been banned :ok:

CC, I hope you're going to read my response instead of sticking your fingers in your eyes. Figuratively speaking of course.

First point - You still haven't shown me where I profess to being an expert...waiting...

It's a nonsensical question which is why it doesn't warrant an answer but...I wouldn't have any if that was the case. It would be bad business sense. Can't you see that?

You agreed that they were as described. Now you're changing your mind and calling it a fallacy. Why don't you get some hard facts about your new acquisitions then let us all know.

Goody for you but as a point of interest I have never suggested you did say it.

Anyway, we own some of them and lease some of them. Do you think the ones we do own were free?

Exactly what I've been implying from the start. Why is it ok if you say it but not me? Double standards.

You don't speak for everybody else, you know. Anyway why do you equate disagreement with attacking? There's a whiff of defensiveness coming out in your posts, unnecessarily.
Still not sarcasm chap. Cutting down on routes that don't work is the same as cutting down on aircraft that don't work. Don't you agree that this is fantastic news because it's allowing Flybe to recover and make a profit? I'm confused by your double standards, again.

You pay less for the aircraft so you can charge less but still make a profit. Simple business. I'm pretty hopeful that you didn't really need to ask me that question.

Yawn
 

u lot are all the same, a bunch of boring old farts...get a life and start doing wat it says at the top of the page...bring in some rumours and have some decent chat...

Any chance we can get back to talking about Flybe anytime soon? The current conversation is becoming tedious to say the least.

I'm calling on our moderators to step in and cool these overheated posters down.

Who's overheated?

Flybe to temporarily scrap Southampton service - Guernsey News from ITV Channel Television - channelonline.tv
Running the route does not make financial sense. So surely getting rid of the route is good news?

The same as getting rid of aeroplanes that don't make financial sense.

FlyBE Guernsey service
 

Proposals to withdraw GCI service in Oct then run a reduced once a weekday service from Nov may be in breach of its licence which requires a twice a day service 364 days a year. Guernsey States spokesman refused to comment as an investigation was ongoing.

Maybe running the route would make financial sense if Blue Island weren't running an AT72 four times a day in competition with BEE ?