So Covid restrictions aside, is an airline with 60-70 aircraft based in the UK simply going to be allowed to continue on an Irish AOC under EASA when other operators have gone to the trouble of Creating UK subsidiaries to continue their UK based operations. If this is the case then what was the point of leaving EASA and what is the point of rebuilding the CAA?

As an EU airline, they are allowed to operate betweeen the EU and the UK. What they can't do is operate withing the UK or from the UK to non-EU countries.

I doubt many will get to travel without some sort of restrictions in the next few months. Then it will be a case of rebooking and paying the large difference in price.

SWBKCB
I have had another look at the agreement and yes, it does look like that. It looks like business as usual in many ways so nothing to stop other EU carriers opening bases here, pushing existing struggling UK carriers closer to the brink and generally undermining the UK resident pilot market. There will not be much left for the CAA to regulate soon other than UK domestic.

This isn't really the issue you might suppose. Very few carriers of size are purely UK-owned these days. British Airways is a division of multinational IAG. TUI is a pan-European company ultimately owned in Germany. Ryanair UK, EasyJet (UK), Wizz Air UK are all divisions of pan-European companies. Virgin, Jet2 and Loganair are (AFAIK) predominantly UK-owned. Aurigny and Blue Islands are Channel Isles. Eastern, Titan, Jota, 2Excel and Skybus I presume to be UK-owned too. But in terms of fleet numbers and crew, all of those added together don't come close to the size of those large multinational companies. The principal UK freight carriers are mainly multinational operations as well. Most of those familiar 'struggling UK carriers' are in reality 'struggling multinational carriers' already.

biddedout

Right :rolleyes:

Like Ryanair is going to get rid of its Pilots that are British just because they are British.

RK/RUK prefix & "Blue Max" c/sign evidenced pm operating STN-OSL with an Irish registered a/c.

An interesting choice of call-sign.

The movie "The Blue Max" was made in Ireland so that might be part of the puzzle.

G-RUKA flying the "BlueMax" STN/OSL today.

Money talks. I know people who vowed never to fly FR again, then did because they were by far the cheapest.

As with most products many people will "buy" the price & not the product.

It isn't only the price. As a large chap I but an extra leg room seat and flight them because they often go where I want to go - Carcasonne for example.

Another few toys out of the pram:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29...ith-regulator/

Interestingly even in COVID, with Brexit looming earlier last year there was talk of opening a base in Gatwick. HORD seemed to indicate he could put 16 aircraft, and the latest on the grapevine is it could be announced later in January. Not sure when flights would start, but with RYR losing aircraft next year it would be interesting to see if they do open it to get ready for a recovery while deals are getting cheaper at airports.

davidjohnson6

I have had an issue with them recently where I was booked to fly to Faro on 21 Dec. On 20 Dec Portugal barred UK nationals from entry along with the majority of other European countries and others around the world. I therefore did not travel. I emailed Ryanair twice about this as their online chat wasn't responding, had no reply. I also tried to call but gave up, imagining they would be pretty inundated with other passengers asking similar question about their tickets they were unable to use.

I got to speak to their call centre a couple of days ago, and was basically told , the flight left and there was nothing they could do. They didn't want to know, I kind of expected , but its awful to feel you are being fleeced . My hire car at Faro and Parking at Liverpool Airport was all resolved very quickly on the plus side.

Ryanair expects 95% fall in passenger numbers until April.
Reported in The Guardian today.

CEO stating today initial roll out of the `8200 will be into the UK market.

If that is the case, then each new UK frame will be a Blue Max.
Now it all makes sense!
Ok, Blue & White...

DUB all airlines only 384 departures in the next 7 days! Anyone flying into DUB from UK or SA needs a negative Covid test taken within 72 hours of arrival. Arrive without a test and you can get a €2,500 fine or 6 months in prison. Soon other countries. Who is going to book? I've had 12 recent cancellations and await refunds / vouchers. Will I book for Spring / Summer? No way and perhaps others think that way.
Look at UK airports MAN next 7 days only 320 departures, STN 303 departures, GLA 119 deps, EDI 156 and of all those flights how many pax?
I don't think you'll see any FR flights from UK soon. Its how they will weather the storm.

kildress

Even if they are based in the UK, it doesn’t mean they are going to be added to the RUK AOC.

8200 := If the price is right, folk will fly on it and within 12 months, assuming no accidents or major incidents, the public will have lost the connection with the MAX.

I look forward to flying on the -8200. But I need to be allowed to fly somewhere first! :-)

MoL on R4 this morning saying mass cancellations of flights to/from the UK wef 21.1.21 underway resulting in probably just "10-20" flights per day operated in total from that date.

Blames Governmental Pandemic policy or the lack of it for the temporary measures...

Ryanair has cut a large number of routes across its network - down maybe 20% (or more) compared to 2019, and the remaining routes generally will see a much lower frequency in S21
This of course means the number of aircraft in use will be down significantly

Is Ryanair planning on a sizeable reduction in fleet size over the next 2 years, or are they just grounding aircraft in the expectation of a return to service in 2022 or 2023 ?

Or maybe the summer schedule isn't fianlised yet, and they are keeping some flexibility so they can respond quickly to changing circumstances?

The schedule isn't finalised yet so speculating on route closures/frequency cuts at this stage is near pointless. Not sure when it will be but I would imagine fairly soon.

Ryanair is expecting others to fail or certain ones so it can react and move aircraft etc

Article yesterday on anna.aero about Ryanair. The tone of the article is rather upbeat, indicating flying at something close to S19 levels across Europe. When I look at the FR website, and see all the routes that are no longer offered, and the frequency reductions, I see a very different story

Anyone else have an opinion on the article ?

anna.aero get their info from OAG schedule data, which by no means is a perfect source at the best of times. What Ryanair is currently selling tickets for is an even less accurate reflection of what they'll actually operate. As has been said previously, the schedules are not yet finalised. It's arguably later than usual, but these of course are not usual times.

Mass schedule releases - trying to generate cash
 

All airlines are releasing schedules very early, some already for summer 2022, they all want to get as much cash in the bank to ride this storm.

Off course they will not fly all, as much is tentative for now... but I would trust a RYR schedule more as for example Logan who are opening routes like mad man.

But all airlines are now just publishing to generate cash in banks and later on they will cancel and refund... if they still have cash :)

davidjohnson6

Ryanair will lead the aviation recovery in Europe. Their flexibility, innovation and drive are unmatched. Their view is that in adversity there is opportunity....

A Malta Air `8200 currently in assembly at Renton will be sporting the new Malta Air livery.

Three Buzz liveried `8200`s currently await certification/delivery.

Has anyone got any idea when November schedule will be available, currently only showing prices until the end of October 2021, thanks in advance.

Ryanair app is showing Inverness as a departure point with destinations Alicante, Murcia and Kaunas.

Mistake or planning to get as many seats on planes once travel starts again?

EDIT: Looks like an error as it's gone again!

Lots of planning going on as would be expected, maybe for 2022.

The website and the app don't seem to be lining up very well right now...

Flights from Cardiff to Barcelona on the app, but not on the website.
Flights from Bristol to Cologne on the app, but not on the website
Neither actually bookable.

Cologne to Kyiv on the website, but not on the app, and not bookable.

Hopefully all sorted out soon.

Extracts from the Q3 report:
"In Dec., shortly after the FAAs ungrounding of the Boeing MAX aircraft in the U.S., Ryanair ordered a further 75x B737-8200 aircraft from Boeing increasing its firm order to 210 units. Following EASAs recent certification of the MAX-8 to return to flying in Europe, we are hopeful that the [197-seat] B737-8200 will be certified in the coming weeks. This will enable the Group to take delivery of up to 24 new aircraft before peak S.21. This order will deliver over a 4 year period between Spring 2021 and Dec. 2024"
"Recently, Ryanair concluded a 4-year extension of its low-cost growth deal in Stansted to 2028, extending the Groups low cost leadership in the key London market. The Group has also secured easyjet’s 7 based aircraft slot portfolio in Stansted."

According to bbc the Ryanair ‘jab & go ‘ adverts have been removed by complaints board

Telegraph have reported that all UK to non-EU and domestic outside of Stansted is to cease. I guess putting aircraft on the UK register for the odd few flights here and there doesn’t make sense. Derry would be hit hardest it would seem. Another great Brexit Dividend I suppose