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cymru 12th Sep 2022 17:24

I wonder if they didn’t want it lost in the negative press about Wizz pausing all the other routes until next summer?

Letsflycwl 21st Sep 2022 15:29

Ryanair have extended FAO to year round (or at least for this winter)….2 flights a week to continue.

Plus wait for it…….it’s been announced & advertised on the CWL webpage too !!!!

Let’s hope Ryanair increase their CWL presence going forward.

shlamps 29th Sep 2022 10:07

KLM
 
KL back to 3 flights daily (twice daily on Sunday) from end of October

Letsflycwl 5th Oct 2022 19:31


Originally Posted by Letsflycwl (Post 11287345)
Loganair appear to have had a fall out with NQY airport and their press release below refers to focussing more on other regional airports and CWL is one they mention along with SOU & EXT.

I wonder if this means double daily for EDI and/or a NCL or GLA flight ??

“In the meantime, we’ll be directing our efforts towards other UK regional airports such as Southampton, Exeter and Cardiff, where airport managements recognise and appreciate the enormous value that year-round, sustainable regional air services can bring to their communities and local economies.”

Loganair have increased frequencies at both SOU & EXT but to date nothing from CWL. I would have thought EDI going twice daily was a strong possibility…..maybe more to come from Loganair who knows.

Buster the Bear 6th Oct 2022 12:23

https://www.oilspillresponse.com/new...rport-closure/

SWBKCB 6th Oct 2022 15:31

There was an American oil-dispersal Herk based for while a number of years ago - is it just a useful location, or is there some other connection?

Asturias56 6th Oct 2022 16:04

Putting it in Cardiff means it can cover the SW approaches, Cornwall etc and also the fields in the East Irish Sea and off S Ireland

ATNotts 6th Oct 2022 17:08


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11309148)
There was an American oil-dispersal Herk based for while a number of years ago - is it just a useful location, or is there some other connection?

Milford Haven used to be home to several oil refineries so possibly back then CWL was strategically smart. Nowadays I believe it is principally a LNG terminal.

cymru 8th Oct 2022 04:55

So it looks like Paris is definitely quietly being dropped. Looking at the prices of the few flights available there is clearly a lack of demand.

shlamps 8th Oct 2022 09:51


Originally Posted by cymru (Post 11309927)
So it looks like Paris is definitely quietly being dropped. Looking at the prices of the few flights available there is clearly a lack of demand.

Shame about the ORY flights but having an A321 on the route was always going to be ambitious. Demand for Paris is there I feel (aug stats show around 3.5k passengers, no idea of yield though) so smaller a/c with higher frequency should work. Just not sure who would operate it. AF wouldn’t I doubt. Not with KL via AMS going back to 3 daily.

caaardiff 8th Oct 2022 10:17


Originally Posted by cymru (Post 11309927)
So it looks like Paris is definitely quietly being dropped. Looking at the prices of the few flights available there is clearly a lack of demand.

The numbers were improving. Average passenger load for August was 151, which in an A320 would be decent. The fares have always been cheap, so very unlikely any money was made during it's time. It has to have been a slot sitter otherwise they would've dropped it ages ago. A321 simply too big for this route.

Letsflycwl 8th Oct 2022 10:33


Originally Posted by shlamps (Post 11310049)
Shame about the ORY flights but having an A321 on the route was always going to be ambitious. Demand for Paris is there I feel (aug stats show around 3.5k passengers, no idea of yield though) so smaller a/c with higher frequency should work. Just not sure who would operate it. AF wouldn’t I doubt. Not with KL via AMS going back to 3 daily.

If only Air Wales we’re still around, ideal route for the ATR42/72 aircraft.

Shame CWL cannot entice Flybe back as CDG & also JER would be perfect for them.

ATNotts 8th Oct 2022 10:39


Originally Posted by Letsflycwl (Post 11310065)
If only Air Wales we’re still around, ideal route for the ATR42/72 aircraft.

Shame CWL cannot entice Flybe back as CDG & also JER would be perfect for them.

The leisure and business / connecting markets could be viewed as different. Vueling probably failed on the ORY route because too may people were paying too little, and not enough PAX booking at short notice and paying a premium for doing so. CDG may well work better from a connecting standpoint, and is better known in UK for being the principal Paris airport so better for the business market too. Frequency then becomes key, as does an interline agreement with AF. Whether CWL could have the demand to offer multi-daily services, and whether AF would offer code share when the AF/KL group are seemingly concentrating their efforts on the AMS hub from CWL are another questions.

Mike Flynn 10th Oct 2022 19:00

KLM will never generate mass travel from their UK hubs because of the price they charge. They have been the main operator at Norwich for decades because of the exploitation of the oil and gas industry but very few normal passengers fly from the airport. Back in my day in the 1980’s Dan Air were the main operator at Cardiff running HS746 turbo props but supported by the oil and gas industry later to be replaced by Loganair. The annual bucket and spade brigade are not enough to support an airport and sadly Cardiff has never done a deal with Ryanair and Easyjet which would ramp up their traffic. I think EGFF has to take a new look at where their business is coming from and transatlantic airfreight is an opportunity.

Buster the Bear 10th Oct 2022 20:22


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11309171)
Putting it in Cardiff means it can cover the SW approaches, Cornwall etc and also the fields in the East Irish Sea and off S Ireland

2Excel Aviation do not have the contract to cover British waters. A 737-400 of West Atlantic does with RVL.

fanrailuk 12th Oct 2022 13:15


MARKEYD 17th Oct 2022 09:08

Ryanair seems to have removed Malaga from the booking engine leaving it to Vueling and TUI for the summer 23 season

caaardiff 17th Oct 2022 11:59


Originally Posted by MARKEYD (Post 11314674)
Ryanair seems to have removed Malaga from the booking engine leaving it to Vueling and TUI for the summer 23 season

It's been removed from the App for a few months but always remained on the website.
They have actually today put Malaga back on sale for Summer 23. Tuesday and Saturday recommencing March 23.

Letsflycwl 20th Oct 2022 13:59

Looks like BHD has gone daily as of end of March 2023 instead of 5 per week. Nice to see an increase as Belfast was one of the top domestic destinations prior to Covid.

shlamps 20th Oct 2022 21:10

CWL to NYC
 
Just browsing the aer lingus website and see that NYC is listed (no airport specified). When doing a search it says dates for this route are not yet loaded and will be available soon. Can’t seem to think where you’d connect as they only fly to BHD and have VY to Alicante as destinations. Can’t see them launching direct surely? Any info?

Letsflycwl 11th Nov 2022 15:08

Qatar Airways
 
What’s with the Qatar Airways flight departing for DOH on 15/11? It was showing on the airports webpage departure screen. Obviously connected with the Football World Cup……

I wonder if this would/could be used as a pending resumption of the flights between DOH-CWL-DOH??

caaardiff 11th Nov 2022 16:43


Originally Posted by Letsflycwl (Post 11329184)
What’s with the Qatar Airways flight departing for DOH on 15/11? It was showing on the airports webpage departure screen. Obviously connected with the Football World Cup……

I wonder if this would/could be used as a pending resumption of the flights between DOH-CWL-DOH??

You've answered your own question. It's just a football charter. There are apparently a few others too.

Letsflycwl 11th Nov 2022 22:25


Originally Posted by caaardiff (Post 11329222)
You've answered your own question. It's just a football charter. There are apparently a few others too.

Just curious as to whether QR will announce at this time a planned return as supposedly on Twitter it’s been mooted that some announcement from an airline for CWL is due soon and all top secret until then.

Letsflycwl 19th Dec 2022 12:16

Ryanair to commence BFS-CWL-BFS flights for Summer 2023 season (x2 weekly)….interesting choice and will go head to head with Aer Lingus to BHD but great to see another destination for Ryanair.

Could there be more to come from Ryanair at CWL ?

cymru 27th Dec 2022 23:00

Summer ‘23 although a bit busier has still lost capacity with Vueling and TUI it seems. CWL has lost Naples for example. Hopefully it’s just a result of the cost of living crisis and it will continue to improve but sad to see Vueling reduce yet another route.

supermarine 3rd Jan 2023 10:18


Originally Posted by Letsflycwl (Post 11350864)
Ryanair to commence BFS-CWL-BFS flights for Summer 2023 season (x2 weekly)….interesting choice and will go head to head with Aer Lingus to BHD but great to see another destination for Ryanair.

Could there be more to come from Ryanair at CWL ?

Whispers of a Ryanair Base beginning May 1st, interviewing crew soon. Its either an early April Fool or a possible great start to a New Year.

Letsflycwl 3rd Jan 2023 10:47


Originally Posted by supermarine (Post 11358736)
Whispers of a Ryanair Base beginning May 1st, interviewing crew soon. It’s either an early April Fool or a possible great start to a New Year.

I’ve heard these rumours too…..let’s hope it becomes a reality !!

fanrailuk 3rd Jan 2023 11:19

FR base
 
interviewing crew soon”

If you’re alluding to this site (https://careers.ryanair.com) advertising cabin crew for “Cardiff” as a location not a base necessarily, I wouldn’t read too much into it as they’re also advertising for Brighton, Stoke on Trent, Norwich, Exeter and various other cities which are seemingly very unlikely to be FR bases.

I hope to be proved wrong! :ok:

Letsflycwl 3rd Jan 2023 11:56


Originally Posted by fanrailuk (Post 11358779)
interviewing crew soon”

If you’re alluding to this site (https://careers.ryanair.com) advertising cabin crew for “Cardiff” as a location not a base necessarily, I wouldn’t read too much into it as they’re also advertising for Brighton, Stoke on Trent, Norwich, Exeter and various other cities which are seemingly very unlikely to be FR bases.

I hope to be proved wrong! :ok:

Yeah I agree - read that too as some obscure U.K. towns and cities so could just be interview location and not an actual base……

There was a comment on Facebook that someone called Ryanair who confirmed a new base at CWL from May 2023….not sure how they’d have the authority to announce that but weirder things have happened I guess !!

Hope we are proved wrong here and it does happen !! Time will tell.

shlamps 3rd Jan 2023 12:33


Originally Posted by Letsflycwl (Post 11358799)
Yeah I agree - read that too as some obscure U.K. towns and cities so could just be interview location and not an actual base……

There was a comment on Facebook that someone called Ryanair who confirmed a new base at CWL from May 2023….not sure how they’d have the authority to announce that but weirder things have happened I guess !!

Hope we are proved wrong here and it does happen !! Time will tell.

also says on the advert for Cardiff that you’ll be permanently based in BRS.

fanrailuk 10th Jan 2023 09:31

Wizz
 
Looks like Wizz have pulled the plug!

Sad times.

Only Ryanair can save CWL now…

WelshDan1927 10th Jan 2023 09:53

Looks like?

Source?

Perhaps wait for official confirmation before making such assertions?


Originally Posted by fanrailuk (Post 11363271)
Looks like Wizz have pulled the plug!

Sad times.

Only Ryanair can save CWL now…


WelshDan1927 10th Jan 2023 10:14

Wizz
 
All flights are now unavailable to book.

No longer baseless speculation.

As you were.

SKOJB 10th Jan 2023 10:41


Originally Posted by WelshDan1927 (Post 11363297)
All flights are now unavailable to book.

No longer baseless speculation.

As you were.

As LCC go, they really are the bottom feeders of the pond world!

SWBKCB 10th Jan 2023 10:58


Originally Posted by SKOJB (Post 11363311)
As LCC go, they really are the bottom feeders of the pond world!

Doubt they would pull out because they are making so much money they can't count it alll...

fanrailuk 10th Jan 2023 10:58


Originally Posted by WelshDan1927 (Post 11363282)
Looks like?

Source?

Perhaps wait for official confirmation before making such assertions?

https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/...ic-environment

SWBKCB 10th Jan 2023 11:02


In a statement Cardiff Airport said: “We are deeply disappointed to hear that Wizz Air has decided to cease their operations at Cardiff Airport. It is regrettable that Wizz Air has cited the economic climate as its reasons for withdrawing its operations out of Cardiff.

"There has been positive booking trends and very strong passenger demand to travel from Cardiff in 2022 and current booking trends for 2023 remains similar. We have been working closely with the airline since 2020 and their latest indications to us last week, were that bookings for this summer are ahead of this time last year, so we see their decision as surprising.

"Our thoughts are with our customers who are impacted by this news and now face disruption to their travel plans for this year, along with our friends and colleagues that are employed by Wizz Air based at Cardiff.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...rdiff-25939252

davidjohnson6 10th Jan 2023 12:00

Is this just a base closure, or are all flights, including those from other bases, ending ?

fanrailuk 10th Jan 2023 12:04


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11363356)
Is this just a base closure, or are all flights, including those from other bases, ending ?

The whole operation will close.

The airline’s two current routes to Milan MXP and Bucharest will end from 25 January.

All other routes will not return.

shamrock7seal 10th Jan 2023 12:53

Ryanair will probably do more at CWL since they're being squeezed out of BRS


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