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valefan16 19th Jun 2020 08:47


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10815156)
France muted ?

We can but hope ...

Macron has been the most vocal against it, but sounds like he's been pushing BJ on it last night.

inOban 19th Jun 2020 08:56

I assume that you meant mooted, not muted!
But seriously, Portugal, with a current infection rate twice ours?

Peter47 19th Jun 2020 09:06

Whilst it would not be too difficult to reconfigure airports between "safe" and "not safe" countries (different terminals?) I can't see how, once Europe reopens its borders, you cannot treat the Schengen zone as a single entity. Does it make sense not to have to quarantine if arriving from France, but to have to do so if arriving from Belgium or the Netherlands? Is Basel airport in France? (Owing to long queues in Swiss security I went through the checkpoint to France on one occasion and sure enough the security queues were much shorter.) The airside is basically a common zone with exits to France & Switzerland, which are both in the Schengen zone. Prior to covid you could travel around the Geneva and Basel areas and cross borders without realising it, and if not the case yet it will hopefully soon be so. I'm sure that you could add plenty of other examples in the Schengen area..

Spanish eyes 19th Jun 2020 09:07


Originally Posted by valefan16 (Post 10815152)
Reports today that Air Bridges will be announced June 29th to come into force July 4th (FCO advise to change)

Countries muted are:

Greece
France
Portugal
Spain
Gibraltar
BVI
Bermuda

so far.

Could be a boost for TUI/Jet2

Advanced notice for the countries that can expect an increase in cases then? One thing can be certain and that Brits abroad will forget all about social distancing as soon as they arrive at the airport. They will then get conditioned to a new way of thinking when they are packed into an aircraft just inches apart from their fellow passengers as the danger has been left behind in the UK. Lemmings abroad who infect each other and back they come.

Meanwhile in Florida where they are relaxing the rules and opening the beaches it is all going horribly wrong.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/miami-paus...ry?id=71254648

ericsson16 19th Jun 2020 09:29

So If this Lurgy has the same life span as HIV (1959 from a man in Kinshasa),what do you propose? Get a grip.

valefan16 19th Jun 2020 10:05


Originally Posted by Peter47 (Post 10815175)
Whilst it would not be too difficult to reconfigure airports between "safe" and "not safe" countries (different terminals?) I can't see how, once Europe reopens its borders, you cannot treat the Schengen zone as a single entity. Does it make sense not to have to quarantine if arriving from France, but to have to do so if arriving from Belgium or the Netherlands? Is Basel airport in France? (Owing to long queues in Swiss security I went through the checkpoint to France on one occasion and sure enough the security queues were much shorter.) The airside is basically a common zone with exits to France & Switzerland, which are both in the Schengen zone. Prior to covid you could travel around the Geneva and Basel areas and cross borders without realising it, and if not the case yet it will hopefully soon be so. I'm sure that you could add plenty of other examples in the Schengen area..

I imagine it may end up being most European countries come the announcement but I assume its more based on honesty with the forms as it is at the moment.

Playamar2 19th Jun 2020 11:35

It just goes to show from the list of countries mooted that it is an economic rather than a health decision. If it was countries with a low rate I imagine it would include Germany, Austria & Switzerland (all 3 far safer than France, Spain & Portugal).. I wonder what action countries not included will do - take the UK to court (likely on discrimination grounds).

valefan16 19th Jun 2020 11:52


Originally Posted by Playamar2 (Post 10815268)
It just goes to show from the list of countries mooted that it is an economic rather than a health decision. If it was countries with a low rate I imagine it would include Germany, Austria & Switzerland (all 3 far safer than France, Spain & Portugal).. I wonder what action countries not included will do - take the UK to court (likely on discrimination grounds).

They are just the nations mentioned but expect more to be included come the announcement (based on importance to the UK economy or popularity)

Although Raab did suggest there could be legal action against us over it.

RedDragonFlyer 19th Jun 2020 13:58


Originally Posted by ericsson16 (Post 10815188)
So If this Lurgy has the same life span as HIV (1959 from a man in Kinshasa),what do you propose? Get a grip.

Coronaviruses are obviously nothing like Lentiviruses. Plus genetic analysis suggests that SIV made the jump to humans (to become HIV) in around 1920.

FFMAN 19th Jun 2020 13:58


Originally Posted by valefan16 (Post 10815152)
Gibraltar
BVI
Bermuda

Some real top priority destinations there.... if you are a tax dodger of course.

OzzyOzBorn 19th Jun 2020 18:36

Some good news at last.

I've just received an update from the provider of my annual travel insurance policy advising that cover for all reasonable claims relating to COVID-19 will be covered going forward. Obviously, spurious claims amounting to 'disinclination to travel' will be rejected, but medical issues on the trip and things like denied flight boarding due to temperature checks will be covered. Travelling against FCO advice would negate cover of course, and policies would not cover a new generalised government lockdown under the pandemic exclusion rules. But one wouldn't expect that.

I went into this lockdown with 49 flights and 3 cruises booked. 16 flights are still standing, and I intend to travel on them provided that: 1) the airlines actually operate them; 2) Priti-Dim's UK quarantine debacle is cancelled; 3) FCO 'no travel' advice is rolled back.

Obviously, I need the destination to be "open for business" as well.

Anyway, a most welcome development. Kudos to coverforyou / AXA for this. Hopefully, other providers to follow suit very soon. Removes a massive barrier to travel for me.

LTNman 19th Jun 2020 19:35


Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn (Post 10815586)

Anyway, a most welcome development. Kudos to coverforyou / AXA for this. Hopefully, other providers to follow suit very soon. Removes a massive barrier to travel for me.

https://www.axa.co.uk/travel-insurance/

Coronavirus update

Any new policy purchased, or new trip booked covered by an existing annual multi trip policy after 3pm on 13th March 2020, will not cover any cancellation claim in relation to coronavirus (COVID-19).

We will continue to cover any medical claims because of coronavirus if you are travelling to an area where no FCO advice against travel exists.
You need to self isolate for two weeks before you go in case you get contacted by a track and tracer.


ericsson16 19th Jun 2020 20:31


Originally Posted by RedDragonFlyer (Post 10815382)
Coronaviruses are obviously nothing like Lentiviruses. Plus genetic analysis suggests that SIV made the jump to humans (to become HIV) in around 1920.

The point i am making is you can't keep locked up forever.

OzzyOzBorn 20th Jun 2020 01:22

LTNman: You appear to be quoting a different insurance policy than mine. My email advisory was delivered at 17:12 UTC. My policy has been amended as stated in post 1255.

I can't speak for other AXA products, but with the principle established it seems likely that they will apply new C-19 cover to those as well.

SWBKCB 20th Jun 2020 06:12


Passengers arriving at UK airports could soon be able to have the same type of saliva swab test used by the NHS to screen for the coronavirus. Companies planning a trial of the scheme hope a negative result will allow early release from the government's 14-day travel quarantine. People will have to pay around £140 for a test, booked online before travel.

Under the proposals, passengers would visit an airport clinic after immigration to take a test and self-isolate at home until they received the result. A negative result could take as little as five hours. However, the aim will be to notify every participant within 24 hours
.
Being proposed by Swissport and medical firm Collinson

BBC: Airport tests may provide 'early travel quarantine release'

LTNman 20th Jun 2020 06:44

Incredibly tough choices for governments around the world in easing restrictions but what is happening in America now could come back to haunt us, though it has to be said, Americans don’t like being told what to do.

ericsson16 20th Jun 2020 06:48


Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn (Post 10815770)
LTNman: You appear to be quoting a different insurance policy than mine. My email advisory was delivered at 17:12 UTC. My policy has been amended as stated in post 1255.

I can't speak for other AXA products, but with the principle established it seems likely that they will apply new C-19 cover to those as well.

Thanks for the information and positive attitude.As a person who stayed (3 years) in one of the most dangerous countries in the world(big bad South Africa) without travel insurance I say to those pondering wither to take out insurance,be a daredevil and travel without.

ATNotts 20th Jun 2020 07:15


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10815836)
.
Being proposed by Swissport and medical firm Collinson

BBC: Airport tests may provide 'early travel quarantine release'

You really couldn't blame Swissport, they have been hemorrhaging money for the last three months, and stand to lose even more as a result of this stupid blanket quarantine. However £140??? That is nothing but profiteering, and will achieve little but allow the wealthy to enjoy their holidays if they so wish, whilst the less well off feel that £560 for a family of 4 is just too much. Half the price might given them greater revenue, as there would be much more take up.

When I first heard the story I thought they might charge £10 or so per test; but then I forgot that this is ripoff Britain.

ericsson16 20th Jun 2020 08:21


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10815846)
Incredibly tough choices for governments around the world in easing restrictions but what is happening in America now could come back to haunt us, though it has to be said, Americans donít like being told what to do. https://youtu.be/MwGFe1bL60Y

The Americans were never going to have a lockdown for any length of time,It's not the American way,all this freedom liberty baloney,right wing groups add on the Trump factor.The Lurgy will eventually blow itself out in the US,shame for those losing their life,but that's the American way!

SWBKCB 20th Jun 2020 08:34


When I first heard the story I thought they might charge £10 or so per test; but then I forgot that this is ripoff Britain.
Iceland will be introducing a similar system and plan to charge £90


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