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SWBKCB 12th Jun 2020 18:36


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10809519)
I think you need to read the full article before you dismiss it

I agree - the representatives from Australia, New Zealand and Hong Kong are supporting the quarantine move.

Professor Teo Yik-Ying, dean of the School of Public Health at Singapore’s National University, was asked if it was “a good idea” for people in the UK “to be able to take holidays”.

He told MPs: “No, it does not sound a good idea. Infection rates in many countries of Asia are less, but governments are not looking at tourism. They are looking at green lane arrangements for business travellers, not mass market travel. We are not talking about that.”

Professor Gabriel Leung, dean of Li Ka Shing Faculty of Medicine at the University of Hong Kong, agreed. He told the committee: “It would be premature for any kind of mass market holidays.”

Playamar2 13th Jun 2020 11:39

The UK Gov't has its own scientific advisors like Sir Patrick Vallance and he was hardly supportive of quarantine, so they won't pay much attention to what South East Asia and Australia think. You can't have quarantine for tourists but not for business travellers as the virus does not discriminate. British Airways said that there was no consultation and no scientific evidence provided to support the policy; that weekly commuters from France or Germany (ie Prof. Teo Yik-Ying comment about green lane arrangements) can be exempted. That was an economic decision and not a health decision..

ericsson16 13th Jun 2020 12:40

As a layperson my take on this virus is as such,this badboy has about blown itself out,3 weeks ago they told us due to the over crowded beaches all over the south of England and that the end was nigh,the second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh etc.BALONEY. So onward I say to another landing at that magical Runway 05/23 LPMA/FNC.

Manchester Kurt 13th Jun 2020 16:57

Isn't the reason that it's really hard to catch the virus outside, like almost impossible???

Problem has always been airborne droplets from infected people's mouths and noses which disperse incredibly rapidly outside in the smallest of drafts.

valefan16 13th Jun 2020 18:34


Originally Posted by Manchester Kurt (Post 10810252)
Isn't the reason that it's really hard to catch the virus outside, like almost impossible???

Problem has always been airborne droplets from infected people's mouths and noses which disperse incredibly rapidly outside in the smallest of drafts.

Outside your less likely to get it as you would be in hot weather, most issues are with it being far more infectious inside hence the issue with winter time as everyone is inside.

WHBM 14th Jun 2020 13:38


Originally Posted by commit aviation (Post 10808374)
https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/artic...ation-guidance

The actual wording on the Gov.uk website is as follows: "You are strongly encouraged to check in baggage to the aircraft hold and minimise any hand baggage. This will speed up boarding and disembarking and minimise the risk of transmission."

I get that "government advice" often/usually originates from a statement from the industry itself, plus their PR "pusher" in Whitehall, rather than any impartial assessment by civil servants/government, but it really is stretching credulity to say that speeding up boarding/disembarking somehow decreases your chances of catching something, compared to all the rest of the travel process. What about all the additional time and people now crowded round the carousel. Now the industry has long been keen to divert hand baggage to the hold, especially as most have now found some way to collect additional revenue from so doing, but it's yet another example of those seeking additional revenue opportunities (or making political point scoring, such as against aviation overall) just taking inappropriate advantage of the current troubles to suit their own agenda. The attitudes of Willie Walsh and Alex Cruz being a macro example of this.

SWBKCB 14th Jun 2020 15:26


Now the industry has long been keen to divert hand baggage to the hold, especially as most have now found some way to collect additional revenue from so doing
Surely it's the other way round - the charge was to discourage hold baggage so as to speed up turn round times and reduce costs. The growth of carry-on wardrobes and the scrum to force them into overhead bins is one of the dispiriting things about modern air travel, the fewer the better.

ericlday 14th Jun 2020 20:15

During his weekly video conference with Spain’s regional premiers, Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez announced today that the country will reopen its borders with all European Union and Schengen-area countries on June 21. The exception will be Portugal, which will have to wait until July 1 on the request of the Portuguese government. Spain’s King Felipe VI and the Portuguese Prime Minister António Costa will hold a ceremony on that day to reopen the Spain-Portugal border.

Government sources confirmed on Sunday evening that despite having left the bloc earlier this year, the United Kingdom is still considered an EU member state given that it is in a transition period and enjoys full membership rights. This means that UK travelers will also be able to enter Spain from June 21.

The state of alarm will also end on June 21, meaning that residents in the country will be able to travel freely once more throughout the territory
From June 21, travelers arriving in the country will no longer be required to stay in quarantine for two weeksTravelers from outside the European Union and the Schengen free-travel area will be permitted to enter Spain from July 1, the prime minister explained, provided there is a reciprocal agreement on travel and taking into account the epidemiological situation in the country of origin, among other factors.

LTNman 14th Jun 2020 22:22


Government sources confirmed on Sunday evening that despite having left the bloc earlier this year, the United Kingdom is still considered an EU member state given that it is in a transition period and enjoys full membership rights. This means that UK travelers will also be able to enter Spain from June 21.
If we were outside the EU I would suspect they would treat us as a favoured nation due to the massive tourist trade from the UK.

The fly in the paella is that the UK still has an all but essentially travel warning still in force and a quarantine for returning visitors.

This will probably do Spain a favour by keeping new cases out of their country for a few more weeks.

sinbad73 15th Jun 2020 00:45


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10810992)
If we were outside the EU I would suspect they would treat us as a favoured nation due to the massive tourist trade from the UK.

The fly in the paella is that the UK still has an all but essentially travel warning still in force and a quarantine for returning visitors.

This will probably do Spain a favour by keeping new cases out of their country for a few more weeks.

'The fly in the paella'?!

Quarantine - you mean an unenforceable quarantine?

LTNman 15th Jun 2020 03:54

It will still put people off just like having no Coronavirus cover. In fact with the government advice not to travel unless essential the whole policy would normally be void.

https://www.which.co.uk/news/2020/06...vel-insurance/



Which? is currently unaware of any travel insurance policies that will cover any coronavirus-related claims except for emergency medical treatment. But for as long as the FCO’s advice remains in place, many policies won’t cover you for anything if you choose to travel. Certain travel insurance policies have a ‘general exclusion’ that means they don’t have to provide protection for anything when you’re away – from lost baggage to life-threatening injuries – if the FCO has advised against travel

Read more: https://www.which.co.uk/news/2020/06...vel-insurance/ - Which?

valefan16 15th Jun 2020 08:14


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10811100)
It will still put people off just like having no Coronavirus cover. In fact with the government advice not to travel unless essential the whole policy would normally be void.

https://www.which.co.uk/news/2020/06...vel-insurance/

Most reports suggest the FCO advise is likely to change in the next couple of weeks, so I think a lot depends on quarantine being dropped.

One suggestion was the only reason the FCO is still blanket advising against all essential travel was to avoid diplomatic relations being damaged with countries that would not be advised to travel to which is crazy if true.

WHBM 15th Jun 2020 09:28


Originally Posted by valefan16 (Post 10811228)
One suggestion was the only reason the FCO is still blanket advising against all essential travel was to avoid diplomatic relations being damaged with countries that would not be advised to travel to which is crazy if true.

But that is how the Foreign Office has long worked. Their most important thing in the universe is to avoid upsetting prickly foreign officials of selected countries, and the most effective way to do that is to have one rule for all. This is notable for example with UK airport security. Every transit passenger is rescreened, from everywhere, as if we do not trust any foreign security. Of course we would do, for some, but if there were selective rules the ones in the Not Trusted camp would take the hump - in fact, they are commonly the group more likely to.

davidjohnson6 15th Jun 2020 09:40

Covid in the USA is still higher than other countries. I'm not sure how Trump would react if the UK put the USA in the "too dangerous to visit" category while putting Mexico in the "safe" category...

valefan16 15th Jun 2020 09:47


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10811318)
Covid in the USA is still higher than other countries. I'm not sure how Trump would react if the UK put the USA in the "too dangerous to visit" category while putting Mexico in the "safe" category...

The Americans have us banned still so surely no issue, although Mexico is having a lot of cases so assume if it does open to Mexico with the air bridge it would be CUN only.

No other country has had much issue with saying where you can and can't go selectively, we just seem to be a bit too polite to offend anyone!

ATNotts 15th Jun 2020 10:06


Originally Posted by valefan16 (Post 10811321)
The Americans have us banned still so surely no issue, although Mexico is having a lot of cases so assume if it does open to Mexico with the air bridge it would be CUN only.

No other country has had much issue with saying where you can and can't go selectively, we just seem to be a bit too polite to offend anyone!

Mexico "safe"?? Pull the other one! In fact if you look at the trend of new cases the USA is treading water / falling a little though after the BLM demos gawd only knows what will happen; Mexico on the other hand, along with most other countries, aside Canada, in the Americas is still reporting increasing numbers.

Beyond Europe and Asia, I really can't see how air bridges to any other areas are in any way feasible.

valefan16 15th Jun 2020 10:35


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10811340)
Mexico "safe"?? Pull the other one! In fact if you look at the trend of new cases the USA is treading water / falling a little though after the BLM demos gawd only knows what will happen; Mexico on the other hand, along with most other countries, aside Canada, in the Americas is still reporting increasing numbers.

Beyond Europe and Asia, I really can't see how air bridges to any other areas are in any way feasible.

I think the poster I was replying to was mentioning Mexico as it was on the "list" airlines supplied to government.

Mexico may be saved by its size if regions are secure?

LTNman 16th Jun 2020 05:48

I see New Zealand, who has not had a new case of Covid for 24 days has two new cases. Both women, who are from the same family, had travelled from the UK and were given special permission to attend the funeral of a parent as the country still has closed borders.

This just highlights again how another country’s problem can cause issues on the other side of the world and how we got infected in the first place.


valefan16 19th Jun 2020 08:33

Reports today that Air Bridges will be announced June 29th to come into force July 4th (FCO advise to change)

Countries muted are:

Greece
France
Portugal
Spain
Gibraltar
BVI
Bermuda

so far.

Could be a boost for TUI/Jet2

DaveReidUK 19th Jun 2020 08:40


Originally Posted by valefan16 (Post 10815152)
Countries muted are:

Greece
France
Portugal
Spain
Gibraltar
BVI
Bermuda

France muted ?

We can but hope ...


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