Originally Posted by racedo
(Post 10926530)
You can fine people all you like, if they have zero money to pay then what then ?
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 10926539)
Are we going to effectively ban cross-border travel for anyone aged under 50 for at least the next 12 months ? If so, the airline and travel industry is going to end up in a very troubled state https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54776678 |
Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10926541)
That is their problem. Because someone can’t pay doesn’t mean the fine goes away.
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 10926539)
Are we going to effectively ban cross-border travel for anyone aged under 50 for at least the next 12 months ? If so, the airline and travel industry is going to end up in a very troubled state |
Originally Posted by racedo
(Post 10926555)
So lets clog up the court system with thousands of people who will never pay fines. This achieves what exactly ? Well aside from peeing voters off.
I don't think we've reached quite that degree of social anarchy just yet. To most people - the vast majority almost certainly - having a damaged credit rating is a serious problem and any such an unpaid fine will undoubtedly be registered there. An Attachment of Earnings order could also be applied to ones wages and, again. most people actually are in jobs - even now. Sure, there are some people who won't pay but you don't drop a sanction against law breaking just because of that fact. |
Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10926546)
I am waiting for someone to come up with an alternative or are air corridors to limited destinations that change weekly the answer. When that happens the likes of Ryanair just hang on to the money and refuse refunds making any booking risky so deceasing the numbers of bookings.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54776678 There doesn't need to be a whole population vaccinated to achieve herd immunity - only 3 in 4 at max. As soon as Coroni hasn't got a viable host to jump to, it dies out. As soon as the over 80s and all of those with underlying health issues are vaccinated, the death numbers will go through the floor. The industry cannot survive another summer like last. BAW for example have enough cash to last them another 3 quarters. WZZ and RYR didn't lose a lot in the first half of the year, however they have lost out on a lot of next year's revenue by deferring this years. EZY probably have enough cash to last them another 6-9 months. No disrespect, but may I ask what your job is in this industry? We almost should be setting an example by willing to get on board and showing that air travel isn't the boogie man at present. Your posts on this forum always seem to be constantly negative and anti-migration. |
Originally Posted by racedo
(Post 10926559)
Wouldn't worry about the airline industry, it will be the country as a whole when people are prevented from leaving and military are at airports doing it. Revolutions were started for less.
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
(Post 10926563)
With respect I think is a fatuous argument to say "don't have fines in place because people won't pay them, so let's not bother."
I don't think we've reached quite that degree of social anarchy just yet. To most people - the vast majority almost certainly - having a damaged credit rating is a serious problem and any such an unpaid fine will undoubtedly be registered there. An Attachment of Earnings order could also be applied to ones wages and, again. most people actually are in jobs - even now. Sure, there are some people who won't pay but you don't drop a sanction against law breaking just because of that fact. Credit rating is not really what a 21 yr old student cares of, likewise an AOE. |
Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10926625)
We can end our restrictions and allow mass travel but there is a little problem. There are not too many countries that would welcome us at the moment. Even tourist hungry Spain has hoops to jump to put people off and that is the problem. Let’s hope we can get our Covid cases down to acceptable levels but as recado likes to point out too many people don’t like rules which will make it harder.
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Originally Posted by racedo
(Post 10926641)
Nobody is going anywhere at the moment nor likely for 6 months minimum.
Good to see this thread is still just the same 3-4 clowns going backwards and forwards with their unimportant opinions. |
Originally Posted by Vokes55
(Post 10926653)
Correction. You’re not going anywhere for 6 months, the majority of the rest of us will be getting on with our lives.
Good to see this thread is still just the same 3-4 clowns going backwards and forwards with their unimportant opinions. |
Originally Posted by Vokes55
(Post 10926653)
Correction. You’re not going anywhere for 6 months, the majority of the rest of us will be getting on with our lives.
Good to see this thread is still just the same 3-4 clowns going backwards and forwards with their unimportant opinions. |
Poland based Wizz Air crew with Covid (they found 5 in a week) fly in Norway on domestic routes and authorities are unhappy:
https://norwaytoday.info/news/after-...-corona-cases/ |
Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
(Post 10926591)
No disrespect, but may I ask what your job is in this industry? We almost should be setting an example by willing to get on board and showing that air travel isn't the boogie man at present. Your posts on this forum always seem to be constantly negative and anti-migration. |
MOL was economical with the truth
1) If you had a flight within the first seven days of the restrictions beginning, Ryanair charged £35 for the ‘free’ transfer plus any difference in the fare. 2) The contract between the passenger and Ryanair (or any other airline) is frustrated because nobody can be forced by contract to undertake something that is illegal. The passenger is entitled to a full refund if they can’t fly. Just because MOL says they don’t have to give refunds doesn’t mean they can’t be forced to give refunds. |
MOL has been consistently wrong footed by the virus despite liking to think he has all the answers
This from today’s Guardian about Easyjet ( Easyjet) was possibly more prescient than rivals in spotting the trouble emerging from Wuhan, given O’Leary was still telling investors in February that it would have no impact. Meanwhile in Trump’s America |
There is no evidence (as yet) that "herd immunity" is even such a thing for Covid - nor that the Biotec vaccine prevents virus transmission.
Virus protection might not even last long either & could require a booster every year- we simply do not know. The new Singapore-Hong Kong air bubble is probably the first of many between low infected Asian countries. I cannot see Europeans being allowed anytime soon into Asian countries. Vaccines are the only answer we have for now, & I'd be pretty sure China is working flat out on this. Side effects of any of the vaccines are yet to be disclosed. BTW- break Covid restrictions in Hong Kong will result in £2.5K fine AND 6 months in prison- court appearances are swift. As always in Asia compliance is extremely high. The weakness of European countries-particularly the UK, is poor compliance & enforcement of regulations. https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/healt...ll-coronavirus |
Originally Posted by HKGBOY
(Post 10926886)
BTW- break Covid restrictions in Hong Kong will result in £2.5K fine AND 6 months in prison- court appearances are swift. As always in Asia compliance is extremely high. The weakness of European countries-particularly the UK, is poor compliance & enforcement of regulations. https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/healt...ll-coronavirus https://www.pprune.org/australia-new...ch-darwin.html |
Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 10926659)
With respect, yours is an unrealistic view, in the real world leisure travel is a no-no for the majority.
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Originally Posted by HKGBOY
(Post 10926886)
There is no evidence (as yet) that "herd immunity" is even such a thing for Covid - nor that the Biotec vaccine prevents virus transmission.
Virus protection might not even last long either & could require a booster every year- we simply do not know. The new Singapore-Hong Kong air bubble is probably the first of many between low infected Asian countries. I cannot see Europeans being allowed anytime soon into Asian countries. Vaccines are the only answer we have for now, & I'd be pretty sure China is working flat out on this. Side effects of any of the vaccines are yet to be disclosed. BTW- break Covid restrictions in Hong Kong will result in £2.5K fine AND 6 months in prison- court appearances are swift. As always in Asia compliance is extremely high. The weakness of European countries-particularly the UK, is poor compliance & enforcement of regulations. https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/healt...ll-coronavirus BTW - you seem happy to live within a totalitarian state ! Give me a county that values liberty and the ability to hold our leaders to account any day and where the people are not afraid (for the most part) of the ruling elite. |
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