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FFMAN 27th May 2020 11:05


I'm absolutely amazed that so many people appear to understand the 2 metre rule!
Funny thing is, people seem to think 2m and act as if it means 3 or 4. Check it out next time you're in the supermarket queue. I was queuing to get in to B&Q at the weekend and couldn't help thinking that some of the people going there to buy a 2m length of timber might be coming out with more than they bargained for!


Adopting 1.5m would have been more reasonable, from a reopening standpoint. Think about it; in a space of length 6m you can fit 3 people / operatives at 2m spacing, but at 1.5 metres that increases to 5 people. All industrial sectors would be in a much better place when it comes to reopening profitably. Doesn't really apply to sitting in an aeroplane of course, but might help capacity management in terminals, bars, restaurants and other airport related retail. And with airport operators, retail = revenue.
Well you get it at least ATNotts. Bear in mind though that the 2m thing is not a linear measurement it's a radius. I haven't done the maths on reducing the distance to 1.5m (still with a 50% margin of error on WHO guidelines) but it doesn't take too much imagination to figure out that it would make airport terminals become more viable - and the hospitality sector in general.... or I could put it another way: it would bring the UK into line with competitor airports (and other businesses). 2m is economically damaging now, puts us at a competitive disadvantage in the recovery and worst of all is un-necessary.


inOban 27th May 2020 11:08

I know people still quote their height in feet and inches, and weigh babies in pounds and ounces, but the imperial system hasn't been taught in schools for fifty years. And anyone who works in industry uses only metric.

Curious Pax 27th May 2020 11:10


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10794708)
In countries such as the UK where people still measure themselves in feet and inches I'm absolutely amazed that so many people appear to understand the 2 metre rule! .

Showing your age a bit? I’m 54, and was only taught in metric (though we knew what feet and inches were). Not sure what percentage of the population are my age or under, but as you say you can add in over 54s with a scientific background, so a big chunk of the population in total.

helipixman 27th May 2020 11:13

It seems Greece has put the UK on a blacklist of countries not allowed for tourism until Boris Johnson has the UK part of the pandemic under control. Guess not many people will be going to Greece then !!! (Me included) All international flights to resume on 1st July for the countries who have not been excluded. UK tourists make up a huge amount for the Greek economy. I love going to Greece and just hope this does not send them into another financial meltdown. My friends in Greece have told me that when I get my voucher it should be saved for next year ! They say it would not be a very relaxing holiday in 2020

With the current FCO advice we would not be allowed to go anyway ?

BTW ATNotts the 1.5m rule would be great, I have a friend who does not do much at the moment during lockdown, he is exactly 1.5m tall, if I were allowed I could take him everywhere and use him as a measuring stick :ok:

helipixman 27th May 2020 11:17


Originally Posted by Curious Pax (Post 10794733)
Showing your age a bit? I’m 54, and was only taught in metric (though we knew what feet and inches were). Not sure what percentage of the population are my age or under, but as you say you can add in over 54s with a scientific background, so a big chunk of the population in total.

Whats going to happen to all you youngsters if we drop the European measurements etc

Go back to Yards, feet and inches and Pounds, ounces etc The country will be shopping like zombies !

SWBKCB 27th May 2020 11:26


Speaking to the Health Select Committee, Sir Patrick Vallance said that spending six seconds stood one metre away from a person carries the same risk as minute spent two metres apart.

He added: “The risk at one metre is about 10 to 30 times higher than the risk at two metres, so social distancing is an important part of this.”
Coronavirus risk up to ‘30 times higher’ if two-metre rule dropped, Government’s chief scientist warns

inOban 27th May 2020 12:14


Originally Posted by helipixman (Post 10794743)
Whats going to happen to all you youngsters if we drop the European measurements etc

Go back to Yards, feet and inches and Pounds, ounces etc The country will be shopping like zombies !

Not to mention the rod, pole or perch, the chain and the furlong! Mr. Farage would be delighted
Oddly enough, the railway may use metric for the track gauge (1450mm rather than 4ft8 1/2) but they still use miles and chains for distance.

johnnychips 27th May 2020 12:46

Thirty times higher than what though? Eating a lot of bacon increases your chance of bowel cancer by 33%. Closer inspection of the figures reveals the risk increases from three in a thousand to four in a thousand.

Sharklet_321 27th May 2020 13:34

We wouldn't need to obsess about this 2m separation and associated costs (!) if we all just wore a face mask.

face masks can help prevent transmission from infected people to others. So if everyone wears them - job done.

SWBKCB 27th May 2020 13:36


face masks can help prevent transmission from infected people to others. So if everyone wears them - job done.
So that's pubs, restaurants, closed...

Sharklet_321 27th May 2020 13:40

If you look at Hong Kong as a case study where 99% of the population wear face masks - some small bars are closed but large restaurants, cinemas, gyms and schools are open with little or no distancing.

The96er 27th May 2020 14:38


Originally Posted by Sharklet_321 (Post 10794867)
face masks can help prevent transmission from infected people to others. So if everyone wears them - job done.

The science of wearing a Facemask is not 100% within the scientific community, but no doubt there benifits in certain circumstances, however, let's be honest about this, the wearing of mask does not sit well within western cultures regardless of any percieved merits. The act of covering ones face really goes against our national psyche as the face is paramount to communication and also feeds into the debate around face coverings for religious reasons. I for one will not be comfortable in a society of face mask wearers and I know I'm not the only one. The images of the pretty young weather girl in the Czech Republic on T.V wearing a mask are quite frankly rediculous.

ATNotts 27th May 2020 14:38


Originally Posted by Curious Pax (Post 10794733)
Showing your age a bit? I’m 54, and was only taught in metric (though we knew what feet and inches were). Not sure what percentage of the population are my age or under, but as you say you can add in over 54s with a scientific background, so a big chunk of the population in total.

Actually I am one of those odd people in the UK (certainly, but not exclusively of my generation - fast approaching the scrap heap!!) who knows and measures his height in metres (1.78) and weight in kg, I don't actually know my weight in stones - but I could work convert it if I really needed to. People simply don't understand, or at least don't want to understand metric measurements in daily life. I told someone, quite honestly as it happens, that I've lost 6 kg over the last 6 months. She said "what's that?". And as for telling people the weight of newborn babies in kg, don't even go there!!

DaveReidUK 27th May 2020 15:08


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10794708)
Think about it; in a space of length 6m you can fit 3 people / operatives at 2m spacing, but at 1.5 metres that increases to 5 people.

Might be best to think about it a bit more. :O

ATNotts 27th May 2020 18:03


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10794932)
Might be best to think about it a bit more. :O

You're right, the gain is 1 person, not two. But, as a well known UK supermarket oft says "every little helps!"

FFMAN 27th May 2020 18:31

Thinking about it more, you might be a bit nearer than you think. Although 2m is a radius, my understanding is that establishments that receive 'the unwashed public' actually mark out the space in a grid rather than circles so you do lose additional space in the corners and would therefore gain more by relaxing it... yes indeed, every little would help if someone was brave enough to just go with 1.5m like most other countries. Now the government has painted itself in to a 2m x 2m corner it can't get out of it because the media would demand cast iron guarantees that not one person would be affected and a vocal minority of the population would freeze in abject terror and accuse the government of premeditated murder.

PAXboy 27th May 2020 20:08

FFMAN I did not see your other post, if the 2m rule was made up, then so be it. Perhaps the round number attracted them more than 1.8 or 1.5m. Either way, it is what we have now. Given the terrible response of the British govt to the whole event, I'm happy to stay 3m away. If it matters, I have some understanding of the niceties of making this happen as I am a key worker in the funeral trade.

valefan16 28th May 2020 06:29

Gone a bit under the radar but a potential boost to U.K. travel, Boris said when quizzed yesterday air bridges may well be in place by July. Which is good as it appears holiday bookings are surging according to Spain and Ryanair!

ATNotts 28th May 2020 08:27


Originally Posted by valefan16 (Post 10795354)
Gone a bit under the radar but a potential boost to U.K. travel, Boris said when quizzed yesterday air bridges may well be in place by July. Which is good as it appears holiday bookings are surging according to Spain and Ryanair!

The government needed to get itself out of the rather belated corner into which it has pushed itself with this quarantine idea, and the "air bridges" scheme will do that for them. Allow air bridges between the UK and the EU / EEA plus a few others, such as Australasia and parts of the Far East and job done. And if there is a benefit of having the quarantine rules in place it is that arrivals from the new hot spots in South America, plus parts of Norther America can still be subject to quarantine for as long as their cases are still essentially out of control.

inOban 28th May 2020 09:03

I can understand air bridges between countries which both have low current infection rates, bypassing regions with higher rates
But the UK has a current rate at least 4-5 times (often much more) higher than our main holiday destinations.
I can understand flights from mainland Europe to SE Asia wanting to bypass Qatar/Dubai/Singapore but why would these destination countries want the risk of accepting UK visitors?
Our rate is falling, but not as fast as some people had expected.


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