Make laws in haste, repent and repeal at leisure.

Judges will be the ones who interpret the law or throw it out. I do hope all these new laws have sunset clauses.

The Govester on live TV has confirmed there will be in place a passenger ban regarding international travel apart from travelling for work.

EZY stating most of it`s UK schedule will be cancelled over lockdown.

Source please

I went back and read the guidance from the EU and it is my view that it is an extraordinary circumstance even if the borders are still open because it is a mass restriction on people travelling. Therefore airlines will be able to cancel or amend their schedules without having to pay compensation. However they will still have to refund for cancelled flights.

Correct. As with every other situation since March, EU261 does not apply. Passengers are about to be shafted, nor are insurers are going to pay out if you bought insurance after Mar 13th or booked your trip after this date.

... and RyanAir stating that they will not offer refunds to passengers (flying from the UK)...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54776678
So how can this be right that HMG says you cannot fly unless for business, yet RyanAir expect you to fly if their planes are operating. Will they really fly empty planes just so that they can keep passengers' money?

OK I know we are talking about RyanAir here, but even so......

(and I have the misfortune to have Gove as my local MP)

Ryanair are actually encouraging the public to ignore the English lockdown, which they have never believed in.

Errrr...Re Ryanair that is actually not true of course...

I don't need any encouragement.Ta Ta

If you've bought a ticket, it's no skin off Ryanair's nose whether you choose to fly or not.

I will say it again, the restriction is on the passenger, it is not on the airline. An airline is entitled to keep flying for those passengers who are not restricted. If the passenger is under restriction, Ryanair is encouraging passengers to transfer to another flight for free.

It will interesting to see whether this results in mass civil disobedience and what the Government response will be.

Very good precis.

Actually I don’t have much sympathy with passengers. They should have learned their lesson by now but clearly many haven’t.

I have two very good friends who have changed their Friday BOH - TFS flights to Wednesday LTN - TFS to stay within the 'recommended' travel guidelines. Yes, they have learnt....get out and enjoy life in a relatively safer place where the pool water is warmer.

Good for them, life is for living not sitting there waiting to die.

Govt response will be muted because when you start locking up normally law biding citizens and refuse to lock up criminals with records as long as your arm then changes of Govts happen.

This!!!! Totally this!!!
I looked at flights out to TFS on Wednesday, but everywhere is booked!

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/tfs/routes

I can confirm that flights to TFS are very popular today with 4 TOM Dreamliners due from LGW, BHX, MAN & DSA. Normally it would be 1 or 2 Dreamliners per week. Last minute getaway before lockdown. Have to say that the Canaries are far safe than the UK with a rate of 55 compared to 460 in the UK (14 day rates provided by ECDC).

Yes, good to see 3 Dreamliners on approach within an hour. Welcome to TFS.

Might not be for much longer when flooded with Brits from highly infected areas!

There are four types of police in Tenerife and they are all more persuasive in making you adhere to the Covid advice than those in UK.

• The President of Tenerife, Pedro Martín has said this afternoon… We have to be more forceful with sanctions because the future and the economy of Tenerife is at stake. To cope with the pandemic, we will strengthen ourselves with more military trackers and a greater police presence in hot spots.

So there is 32 inbound flight's today from UK Airport's to TFS. Not taking into account flights from mainland Spain etc where there has been a spike of the Covid.Therefore,are the locals more interested in the Euro or the Virus?

After Thursday flights from the UK will reduce to a trickle with UK lockdown banning holidays. From 14th November the Canaries will have their new measures in place (ie provide a negative Covid certificate to gain access to regulated accommodation). That should stop most 'Brits from highly infected arears' and other countries including regions of Spain from importing the virus.

I wish people would stop calling this a UK lockdown. It's extremely misleading.

Scotland and NI are not in Lockdown and Wales is coming out of its firebreak lockdown in a few days. This is an English lockdown, for England. In Edinburgh, while we have some restrictions, I am by no means in a lockdown and won't be when England goes into Thiers either. The situation may change, I hope not, but the fact remains there is no UK lockdown happening.

So much for a UNITED Kingdom.

So blame the people who live there because Brits want to go there ????

Shaming the residents for living there !!!!

No different than the EU with 27 different countries and 27 different policies. Go to Spain and there are 17 autonomous regions with 17 different set of rules.

The worst thing the UK did was to devolve power.

I was replying to the 2102 Nothing to do with shame,the economy needs the tourists,if some have the virus on arrival so be it.

Why? It lets England see how badly they are being governed.

Spare us your Pro-SNP rhetoric. Scotland has fared no better either politically or from a virus management perspective in this whole debacle.

I am not an SNP supporter. I suggest that you look at the data over recent weeks and explain why the Scots don't need to go for a complete lockdown.

I'm no snp supporter by any stretch but if id have to disagree fairly strongly with that statement. Even the Scottish tory leader has broken rank and said the FM has been a better leader. I can't stand ms Sturgeon but I'd have to agree with him.

Agreed, I’m far from an SNP supporter but I think it’s clear that, at least in recent weeks/months, the situation has largely been handled better in Scotland than in many parts of England. Obviously Scotland has been under tougher restrictions for a few weeks longer than England but these are now easing in all areas and there won’t (yet) be a full national lockdown.

Most well run countries in the world ie Germany 16 Bundersländer, Switzerland 26 Cantons, Australia 6 States and 10 territories, Canada 10 provinces and 3 territories to name a few all have Federal systems, all the systems have more devolved powers to various component regions and arguably more successful as nations than the UK. So what the worst thing the UK has done is limit devolution and have all the power to muppets like BoJo, Gove and Dominic Cummings and we deserve the **** storm that is destroying aviation.

Can we keep discussion of devolution to JetBlast please ? The thread is about "Coronavirus Impact on Air Travel"

One of the main reasons sighted for Spain’s poor Covid response are the conflicts of opinions from each region which can set its own rules. Like the UK, people are restricted from travelling freely, which is what the EU nations did with each other in the Spring.

Changing the subject I was talking to a cousin in Federal Canada who had a Covid test 4 weeks ago and still hasn’t got his results back.

None of this plays well regarding air travel. 9 months on and very few countries have the virus under control and the ones that do have very strict controls on who is allowed into their countries so we wait for a vaccine that many have said they won’t have.

I've noticed, particularly in the last 6 weeks that throughout Europe, scheduled flights have been consistently closing doors maybe 15 mins before scheduled departure time, and taking off often a few minutes before scheduled departure time - with the result that on arrival passengers begin disembarking well before the scheduled arrival time

Can anyone point me to some weekly or daily rigorous punctuality stats so I can see if punctuality has indeed improved as much as I think ?