The SNP person is a Westminster MP. She was immediately expelled from the party. There is nothing else that Ms Sturgeon can do unless there is a recall petition.

That's a cop out to just do what you want and not what you know is right. As my Mum would say, if "Dominic put his hand in the fire, would you?"

I think the impending lockdown will be the final straw for some UK airports and maybe airlines

I'm not so sure, I think most airlines/airports have now already written of the winter schedule and for the most part secured financing through the end of March. If we're still in this position then, which looks increasingly likley that we will, then that's when we'll start to see the s@#t really hit the fan.

According to Robert Peston "4) Outbound international travel will be banned, except for work. 5) Travel within the UK will be discouraged, except for work. 6) Overnight stays away from home will be allowed only for work purposes...". Restrictions to last until the 2nd December.
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I presume that these restrictions will apply only to England but await the details.

I fear summer 2021 will be much like this year.

Even if there is a vaccine, it isn't going to be rolled out across Europe and the world to have such an effect that international travel can return to normal.

How does any airport or airline survive that?

So Scotland, which isn’t in national lockdown, doesn’t want people flying to and from England, or using a car or train for that manner.

So what happens when we reach the end of lockdown in England? The best we can hope for is the rule of 6 for Christmas Day but who will follow that rule seeing that rule never worked and then after Christmas we can look forward to a third wave and a third lockdown.

So what does this mean for air travel over the next month? The most successful countries are those with indefinite closed borders so that means no holidays abroad for the foreseeable future.

From the Telegraph

Holidaymakers will soon be required to present a negative Covid-19 test upon entering the Canary Islands, it has been confirmed.

As of November 10, the ruling states that all tourists over the age of six – from other parts of Spain or other countries – must take a PCR or antibody test, at their own expense, 48 to 72 hours before travelling or on arrival, to be able to stay in the Canaries.

Without a negative result they can be denied access to their accommodation. Anyone who turns up at their hotel, villa or apartment without this will be sent to a testing centre.

These new restrictions leave British holidaymakers with only three countries that require no mandatory test upon entry, or a 14-day quarantine sentence upon return: Gibraltar, Greece and Sweden.

It comes amid curbs on international travel across Europe, as countries including France and Germany enter new national lockdowns; and heavy speculation that Boris Johnson will follow suit next week.

I think this is absolutely the right decision. Hopefully this will prevent the virus running out of control in the Canaries as flights begin to pick up again (for now).

Which is correct because when you get to the stage of someone getting chucked out of parliment for doing something stupid, give it time and people would find spurious reasons so others could be chucked out of parliment.

Voters vote for someone and get a chance every 5 years to redo it.

Lax rules on summer foreign travel has caused many of our problems.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...uk-cases-study

So who would have supported a summer travel ban?

What is right ?
Wearing of masks .................... when Covid was killing thousands a week it was deemed they were unnecessary as gave zero protection, now all of a sudden we need them everywhere. Yet the Danish study that showed them to be of little benefit gets refused publication.

I trust my judgement better than I do of a bureaucrat who refuses to adhere to his own rules. Especially when said bureaucrat caught Covid and infected others.

The Telegraph is being economic with the truth. The test is required if staying at regulated accommodation (Hotel or other tourist establishment) and doesn't affect anyone staying at their own residence whether it be a own villa or apartment. As this is a Regional rule rather than National it will not be policed at the airport.

In a normal market they would not but the issue now in contagion, banks which were supported by taxpayer 2008 can say we will close this down BUT immediate impact is that everybody else will follow the herd mentality. Airport assets are worth nothing now because they have little or no source of income and there will not be willing buyers.

Even the Hedge / Vulture funds will stay away because lets for examply the owners of Heatwick could no longer pay back any debt and scum bank / vulture fund foreclosed. Appoint over paid directors and then dismiss all directly employed workers and say you can have a job at 50% of salary. Some staff would stay because desperate but in that situation would you as a passenger want to trust going through an airport when staff fired and rehired, previous length of service is gone and everything cut so the owners could make millions.

I see this as one where banks and hedge funds get told to STFU and wait it out as their actions could bring the whole ponzi scheme crashing down. Badly run businesses will fail as they woul have failed eventually but there is no stomach for Vulture funds making billions (at the moment).

You need to follow Dr John Campbell daily on Youtube rather than spouting conspiracy theories. Everything he says is based on scientific papers, which he links to. Wearing a mask dilutes the viral load of those with the virus as they breath out the virus. For those without the virus they get an even smaller viral load as the mask offers them some limited protection. A reduced viral load will not stop the virus spreading but can reduce the severity of the infection as the body has less viral load to fight.

Also we should all be taking vitamin D and zinc supplements as that helps the immune system fight infections. Follow that advice could save your life.

That is the great thing about the web, people will only link to something which espouses and agrees with their viewpoint, evidenced on here all the time. If Dr John was so great then why is he not up there in UK Govt helping them out.

I would not make that assumption as during the summer people were being temperature tested in Canary Island airports on arrival.

I suggest you watch an episode or two and then come back and report here as you are now coming across as ignorant. He has no agenda unlike you.

Maybe start here

So just to confirm, is non-essential international travel now banned for England? That’s what I’m reading but not entirely clear.

From the BBC:

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'Stay at home' from Thursday, says Johnson

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I'd take that as a 'yes'.

The likes of TUI/Jet2 will now be wishing they hadn’t bothered with the Canaries as they’ll now have to fly out empty for a week or two to bring people home...

Any thoughts as to what the major carriers at English or UK airports will do in the first couple of weeks of November ? Carry on flying to avoid EU261 claims or stop everything abruptly from Thurs 05 November and claim force majeure ?

It is not a restriction on airlines, it is a restriction on passengers travelling other than for essential work. I am guessing that airlines will carry on flying (with some flights consolidated) and passengers will be pointed in the direction of their travel insurers if they can’t travel.

So is there anything different between the latest lock down and the last lock down when most airports all but closed? Even Wizz at Luton shut down as one point and operated just 3 flights a day at other times but I think that was because European borders were also closed. This time it might be different allowing for rule breaches.
Once again people have been caught out. No doubt the likes of Ryanair will fly out empty aircraft and keep the money.

Right so he posts on Youtube for an innate love of self publicity.............. oh wait he sells books as well.

Not an immunologist, not a specialist in infectious viruses but he used to teach nurses, not dissing his teaching career BUT his speciality is NOT viruses.

After watching one of his youtube spiels a lot of recent postings make sense, suggest turning him off for your personal well being.

A govt decision to prevent people flying is not the fault of an airline, therefore EU261 I believe will not apply. No doubt there will be some who sue on that basis but Govt bans are not the fault of an airline. If CAA claims EU261 applies then likely will end up in court.

This definition will depend on a Judge as they likely will view it differently. I doubt a Govt will want a judge to examine the whole legality behind making a decision like this. A single misstep will pretty much make their decision null and void will them likely to be sued by business for other losses.

Preventing people flying has a whole host of concerns on individual rights, if people wish to fly then let them, just impose conditions on them when they return like 14 day isolation paid for by them. This then stops being a "prevention of flying" issue but a public health issue on their return.

He follows the science and provides the links to the verifiable reports. It is a shame that all you can do is insult him but then he is not an expert like you.

I hope you will follow his advice and take your Vitamin D to improve our chances of reading your posts next year seeing you won’t be taking a vaccine.

No foreign holidays or trips to second homes.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b1482052.html

There are 4 reasons why some flights might operate

1) To operate repatriation flights for those coming to the end of their holidays
2) To provide some service for those travelling on essential business
3) Foreign carriers who have already sold seats in their home market
4) Those airlines (and I’m thinking Ryanair) who will insist on operating flights to avoid paying compensation

Do they need to pay compensation though? It’s not the fault of the airlines. Or do you mean refunds?

What about people that don't live in England that are flying from an English Airport?
Prime example, many Welsh use Bristol.
When local lockdown was in place in Wales, CWL was still open for those counties not in lockdown and anyone in England to use, despite its local authority where CWL is being in lockdown. Citing people can use the Airport if they are not in lockdown provided travel to the Airport is direct.

Maybe that will change after the Welsh lockdown is finished but then anyone from Wales would then fall under a English law when they cross the border.

This 4 nation approach shows the perils of devolved power. You just need to look at Spain to see how it doesn’t work particularly with their Covid response

I'm amazed it took Wizz until 1st May to work out that it was cheaper to operate empty planes and not pay out refunds than actually doing so.

Why did Easyjet not follow the same path or are they the good guys?

All that happened yesterday was the announcement of a set of proposed measures that will be debated, and voted on, in Parliament on Wednesday.

Clearly some of the devilish detail is still being worked on, so it's to be expected that a number of aspects aren't entirely clear yet.

This is correct, but the intention is clear.

Same for us in north wales, our “local” airports are Liverpool and Manchester. I am due to fly with KLM from MAN to France via AMS on 9th November because my current job is based there so have to return, at the moment I am on furlough so have come to the UK to see my family whilst in quarantine. Do I change my flight to before 5th or wait and hope KLM still operate my flights...

You are quite happy to follow whatever Vodoo science and retired teacher spouting whatever they want on youtube.

I notice you seem to want to make continuous personal attacks on people who refuse to agree to your version of events. That is sad.

If a Govt refuses to allow you operate flights then said Govt cannot insist you pay compensation because of its actions. They can try it on but ultimately it will fail in court.