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AirportPlanner1 25th Oct 2020 08:13


Originally Posted by D9009 (Post 10911105)
but EZY,RYR and your other competitors avoid this 1970s business model.

Really?! How? Iíve seen 8 pax jump on an EZY to Menorca, two of which had usefully purchased speedy boarding

TOM100 25th Oct 2020 08:27

I doubt they would operate from Egypt via Crete unless they changed the crew - they don’t have enough duty hours.....

ATNotts 25th Oct 2020 08:27


Originally Posted by Vokes55 (Post 10911185)
Besides, the cost of empty sectors at the beginning/end of the season is simply included in everybodyís holiday price. Itís not a surprising, unaccounted for cost to the company.

With a bit of tactical scheduling, some seasonal ferry flights can often be avoided. For example the first Winter season flight to Egypt would return via Crete, picking up the last Summer passengers on its way home.

I suppose it depends upon whether Jet2 views it's business as an IT operators that sells seat only as a side line, or a scheduled operator that sells blocks of seats to it's in-house IT operator. As I recall it started as the latter, but now appears to have morphed into the former. Ryanair a definitely very much an airline first; but it looks as though EasyJet are looking looking to move much more in the direction and the package holiday sector.

nowhereasfiled 25th Oct 2020 10:03


Originally Posted by TOM100 (Post 10911280)
I doubt they would operate from Egypt via Crete unless they changed the crew - they donít have enough duty hours.....

Time it right, and you can get 13hours 30minutes out of a crew on a 3 Sector extended FDP

TOM100 25th Oct 2020 10:21


Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled (Post 10911338)
Time it right, and you can get 13hours 30minutes out of a crew on a 3 Sector extended FDP

Yeah possibly but lots of scope for it to go t*ts up......esp if flying to MAN or Scotland

Mr Good Cat 25th Oct 2020 17:57


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10911281)
I suppose it depends upon whether Jet2 views it's business as an IT operators that sells seat only as a side line, or a scheduled operator that sells blocks of seats to it's in-house IT operator. As I recall it started as the latter, but now appears to have morphed into the former. Ryanair a definitely very much an airline first; but it looks as though EasyJet are looking looking to move much more in the direction and the package holiday sector.

Having had experience of the easyJet package holiday, I'm not sure that it can work out for them.

Package holidays for the most part are aimed at families and couples who want an easy experience where everything is looked after for you and you can sit back and relax from the minute you arrive at the airport until you leave UK arrivals a couple of weeks later. To ensure the customer gets that experience you have to invest in making your operation one that focuses on the customer and getting repeat business, not one that focuses on the absolute bottom line of cost. Since EZY are a true low-cost operator (which will still be most of their business), they always have and always will focus their airline on that bottom line - the cheapest handling contract, the cheapest staff at the other end, cheapest transport experience to resorts, and so on. Everything is a cheap 3rd party supplier to maximise that profit against cheaper airfares on it's seat only stuff.

Jet2 / J2Holidays operates in the opposite way, vertical integration with most of the operation done by in-house departments - total focus on providing the best customer experience to ensure repeat custom. The seat only stuff will never make the same profit margins as EZY as it's a whole different model.

As I say, I've done the EZY package and it was a painful experience - one that might suit young couples on city breaks with different expectations, but certainly not the majority of IT customers such as families and older couples who have saved up all year for their relaxing week in the Med.

castleford tiger 27th Oct 2020 14:32

Anyone know how many aircraft are fully owned and paid for in the Jet 2 group.
thanks in advance

Brian Pern 27th Oct 2020 17:30

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Originally Posted by castleford tiger (Post 10912831)
Anyone know how many aircraft are fully owned and paid for in the Jet 2 group.
thanks in advance

Not sure, but this may help, Page 22 of Dart Leasing and Finance Limited, Annual accounts 2019, shows total borrowings of $ 706,727,000.00

I would say more, but for some strange reason, I am vilified as anti Jet2 by some members, nothing could be further than the truth, I was involved in the start of Jet 2 and have a lot of time for them. But people hate the truth, its like poetry.

castleford tiger 27th Oct 2020 19:00

Brian

its as clear as mud!
The answer I think is Zero they are all leased from the parent company?

is that right

Brian Pern 27th Oct 2020 19:03

Hi Castleford,
Yep that's my understanding, much like lots of other airlines. Of course Dart Leasing are a Ltd Company with only 3 officers, I think. Totally disconnected from the airline/holiday operation. Makes.life easier if you need to liquidate. Let's hope.not though.

LBAflyer22 27th Oct 2020 21:10


Originally Posted by Brian Pern (Post 10912947)
Not sure, but this may help, Page 22 of Dart Leasing and Finance Limited, Annual accounts 2019, shows total borrowings of $ 706,727,000.00

I would say more, but for some strange reason, I am vilified as anti Jet2 by some members, nothing could be further than the truth, I was involved in the start of Jet 2 and have a lot of time for them. But people hate the truth, its like poetry.

I'm not sure what Dart Leasing to Jet2plc direct ownership is, but if you just look at fleet it's self I know that the 757-200 are bought outright along with the 737-300's. I'm not sure on the chunk of 737-800's are owned or leased. I would imagine some of the very first ones are cash bought by the company, the rest are probably leased.

DjerbaDevil 28th Oct 2020 18:30


Originally Posted by LBAflyer22 (Post 10913048)
I'm not sure what Dart Leasing to Jet2plc direct ownership is, but if you just look at fleet it's self I know that the 757-200 are bought outright along with the 737-300's. I'm not sure on the chunk of 737-800's are owned or leased. I would imagine some of the very first ones are cash bought by the company, the rest are probably leased.

If we assume that the Dart Group is the holding company for all JET2 business, funding and leasing, then aircraft leased from external lessors are 15 B738s and 3 Airbus321s (two of which are in storage). The names of the individual lessors are available.

sdbelgium 30th Oct 2020 13:36

Storage?
 
Heard through the grapevine 6x B757 and 5x B733 will be flown to Murcia over the course of next month. Presumably for storage?

jethro15 30th Oct 2020 14:08


Originally Posted by sdbelgium (Post 10915089)
Heard through the grapevine 6x B757 and 5x B733 will be flown to Murcia over the course of next month. Presumably for storage?

That's correct

Flying Hi 30th Oct 2020 14:12


Originally Posted by jethro15 (Post 10915118)
That's correct

Is that a euphemism for Scrap and part out or do they have any life left in them that might interest say 3rd world countries?

garry8g 30th Oct 2020 14:58


Originally Posted by Flying Hi (Post 10915120)
Is that a euphemism for Scrap and part out or do they have any life left in them that might interest say 3rd world countries?

They will be back to Jet2, they are only being moved to a warmer climate for storage during the winter months.

Flying Hi 30th Oct 2020 16:11


Originally Posted by garry8g (Post 10915151)
They will be back to Jet2, they are only being moved to a warmer climate for storage during the winter months.

Oh what a wonderful thought!!

Ivan aromer 31st Oct 2020 10:48

Does that mean all the 75 crews will be restreamed or laid off?

garry8g 31st Oct 2020 12:48


Originally Posted by Flying Hi (Post 10915208)
Oh what a wonderful thought!!

Nothing wrong with these aircraft, they are well maintained and looked after!

Rt Hon Jim Hacker MP 31st Oct 2020 15:17

J2 are crewing for what they think they need for the winter. I think UK aviation will be shut down again within a matter of days anyway. Hope Rishi has got very deep pockets.


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