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MARK 101 23rd Sep 2020 15:53


Originally Posted by Brian Pern (Post 10890359)
I have no doubt they do, TUI's 2021 are up 145% on 2019 according to the Sunday Times, but how many of these are bookings from this year was not mentioned. Let's not forget TUI are the whale here, pan European not just the UK.
Brexit is coming and it won't be a nice soft one either, people have had staycations and many will be tempted to do the same next year, there is a lot of uncertainty in the industry, people won't want to travel on holiday with a risk of quarantine at the end of it.
I have no doubt that Jet2 management have a plan, it's just the silence is deafening

Believe Jet2 are only planning for 80% of planned programme for summer 2021 which I suppose given current climate isnt too bad. Imagine TUI will be hoping the European operation will hold up better than UK without Brexit affecting it

OzzyOzBorn 23rd Sep 2020 20:10

The overriding impediment to the leisure market ex-UK is quarantine restrictions, both in other countries and here in the UK upon return home. People cannot plan discretionary travel amidst such uncertainty and ever-shifting rules. Few working people enjoy the option to lock themselves away for two weeks when they arrive back from holiday. Brexit concerns are way down the list, and it is in the interests of all EUMED countries with a tourism sector of size to smooth border formalities for their UK customers on that front post-December 31st. But until we have a widely-distributed vaccine with high efficacy, and whilst a 'holiday' means permanent bemuzzlement in hot climates, closed venues, and no opportunity to meet new friends closer than two metres away, leisure bookings will remain utterly depressed. Jet2 and others must plan around this, and lobby to ensure that government-imposed restrictions do not linger even one day longer than absolutely necessary. Not just quarantine: muzzles, taped-off seating areas, early closing, no-mingling rules all have to be rescinded too.

But the ex-UK leisure market does enjoy two key advantages which near-continental countries cannot match. The UK is an island nation - driving abroad comes with either an expensive ferry crossing / tunnel transit, or via car hire overseas (often non-refundable if cancelled). Remember that Germans, French, Benelux customers can drive their own cars to many popular sunshine resorts for as long as flying worries them. And no concerns about flight cancellations and vouchers for them if plans go awry. Add to this that countries including Germany and Austria have recently been imposing damaging new "green" taxes on airline operations, and there is no reason to presume that reviving leisure flying demand in Continental Europe will be an easier proposition than in the UK.

Meanwhile, most short-haul trunk routes from the UK remain subject to dire quarantine rules at one or both ends of the journey. Isle of Man, Channel Islands, Eire, France, Spain, Benelux ... pretty much all of our key short-haul markets are afflicted. Only when all these unpredictable quarantines are consigned to history can we reappraise what proportion of the market is left standing. But there is latent demand for leisure travel. Even if we were to hit 20% unemployment (hope not), that still means 80% of workers bringing in an income. And many of those in "key worker" roles have been toiling their socks off over the last few months ... they're ready to enjoy a nice break when permitted, and many of them have amassed overtime payments which will help them to afford one. Voucher redemptions will play a role too, though these won't bring in fresh income to the airlines.

Jet2, TUI and other leisure carriers must conserve cash until C-19 restrictions are lifted and then be ready to react. Flying empty aircraft around in the meantime will only burn through cash reserves all the quicker. Traditional Winter favourites such as Spain, the Canaries, the Algarve etc will not sell until quarantine rules are swept away and the threat of sudden re-imposition is removed. And bookings for Summer '21 will only come in once restrictions are ended and the threat of another interminable paperchase for vouchers is removed. As a keen traveller myself, my own plan going forward is last minute bookings only to high-confidence destinations TFN. I expect many others to act in a similar fashion (or book nothing at all).

The priority for companies such as Jet2 has to be to conserve cash and wait this one out. Winter '20/'21 is effectively a write-off already.

CONSERVE CASH, CONSERVE CASH, CONSERVE CASH!

Atlantic Explorer 23rd Sep 2020 20:42


Originally Posted by MARK 101 (Post 10891101)
Believe Jet2 are only planning for 80% of planned programme for summer 2021 which I suppose given current climate isnt too bad. Imagine TUI will be hoping the European operation will hold up better than UK without Brexit affecting it

Any plans for next year are just pure guess work at the moment. Nobody has a clue how next spring/summers going to pan out yet, and without a workable vaccine it ainít going to be pretty.

Satoshi Nakamoto 5th Oct 2020 22:21

Will be interesting to see what happens with Fosun for summer 2021, they have already done a deal with TUI for Cook flights.

Gurnard 6th Oct 2020 12:52

It's being reported that two A321s will be joining Jet2 this month - G-HLYA & G-HLYD (ex TCX G-TCDD & DH respectively). Not sure if this affects acquisition of G-HLYG which has been stored at Shannon since October 2019.

ATNotts 6th Oct 2020 13:47


Originally Posted by Gurnard (Post 10899200)
It's being reported that two A321s will be joining Jet2 this month - G-HLYA & G-HLYD (ex TCX G-TCDD & DH respectively). Not sure if this affects acquisition of G-HLYG which has been stored at Shannon since October 2019.

What they expect to do with them gawd only knows; one hour Santa pleasure flights perhaps?? Socially distanced of course!

Can't see them carrying many holidaymakers anywhere any time soon.

Jonty 6th Oct 2020 14:11


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10899230)
What they expect to do with them gawd only knows; one hour Santa pleasure flights perhaps?? Socially distanced of course!

Can't see them carrying many holidaymakers anywhere any time soon.

I imagine itís all for next summer.

ATNotts 6th Oct 2020 16:11


Originally Posted by Jonty (Post 10899242)
I imagine itís all for next summer.

If I were running a business in the travel industry at the moment I think I'd be shedding rather then adding capacity. There's absolutely no guarantee that next summer will be any better than this summer regrettably. And surely if the A321s were required for S21, why take them into the fleet now. The world will likely be flooded with airframes looking for someone to fly for by next Spring.

Vokes55 6th Oct 2020 16:26


Originally Posted by Satoshi Nakamoto (Post 10898847)
Will be interesting to see what happens with Fosun for summer 2021, they have already done a deal with TUI for Cook flights.

Source?

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anthbower1234 6th Oct 2020 17:44

Anyone know why AE has been in AYT for the past week?

blobimals 6th Oct 2020 20:22


Originally Posted by anthbower1234 (Post 10899352)
Anyone know why AE has been in AYT for the past week?

Itís not, itís in MAN

Mr @ Spotty M 6th Oct 2020 20:59

ATOL Licence
 
Jet2holidays, the second largest Atol holder, is now licenced for 3,479,182, down from 4.8 million it had in April and the 3,915,000 it had in October 2019.

rog747 7th Oct 2020 08:02

OzzyOzBorn
quote =

The overriding impediment to the leisure market is quarantine restrictions, both in other countries and here in the UK upon return home. bookings will remain utterly depressed
Jet2 and others must plan around this, and lobby to ensure that government-imposed restrictions do not linger even one day longer than absolutely necessary.
= unquote

Here's the thing - How can they plan around this?
It is not just the problem of Jet2's or TUI's holiday pax having to quarantine when arriving or returning from their holidays when travelling against FCO travel advice, the overwhelming problem is that one's Travel Insurance becomes null and void once HM's FCO adds a Country to the no-go/non-essential travel list.

Thus Jet2, TUI et al, have then to cancel all of their upcoming package holiday flights from that moment on, until such time the FCO advice lifts.
(And advance bookings will also obviously dry up or dwindle, as pax will in the main, be reluctant to book a destination on the 'list')

The Tour Operator has a duty of care to its clients and therefore it would be reckless for them to continue to undertake any such travel against FCO advice and where Travel Insurance provision is nullified.


Folk that are still going away independently now against FCO advice who are flying on say RYR or EZY etc, airlines which are still flying to various no-travel destinations that are on the FCO list (Such as TFS LPA MLA DLM or FAO) are of course, supposed to self isolate upon their return, and be aware that their Travel Ins is null & Void.
Your EHIC card will still provide basic medical and emergency treatment however.
There are now some Travel Ins Policies that do provide some holiday cover if you wish to still travel against FCO advice, but Tour Operators will not buck this and will not fly their planes.

Jonty 7th Oct 2020 09:17

I think most holiday companies are writing off this year and now looking to summer 2021.
All I can say is there better be a vaccine by then, or were looking at the total decimation of the U.K. aviation industry.

excrab 7th Oct 2020 09:20


Originally Posted by rog747 (Post 10899677)
OzzyOzBorn
quote =

The overriding impediment to the leisure market is quarantine restrictions, both in other countries and here in the UK upon return home. bookings will remain utterly depressed
Jet2 and others must plan around this, and lobby to ensure that government-imposed restrictions do not linger even one day longer than absolutely necessary.
= unquote

Here's the thing - How can they plan around this?
It is not just the problem of Jet2's or TUI's holiday pax having to quarantine when arriving or returning from their holidays when travelling against FCO travel advice, the overwhelming problem is that one's Travel Insurance becomes null and void once HM's FCO adds a Country to the no-go/non-essential travel list.

Thus Jet2, TUI et al, have then to cancel all of their upcoming package holiday flights from that moment on, until such time the FCO advice lifts.
(And advance bookings will also obviously dry up or dwindle, as pax will in the main, be reluctant to book a destination on the 'list')

The Tour Operator has a duty of care to its clients and therefore it would be reckless for them to continue to undertake any such travel against FCO advice and where Travel Insurance provision is nullified.


Folk that are still going away independently now against FCO advice who are flying on say RYR or EZY etc, airlines which are still flying to various no-travel destinations that are on the FCO list (Such as TFS LPA MLA DLM or FAO) are of course, supposed to self isolate upon their return, and be aware that their Travel Ins is null & Void.
Your EHIC card will still provide basic medical and emergency treatment however.
There are now some Travel Ins Policies that do provide some holiday cover if you wish to still travel against FCO advice, but Tour Operators will not buck this and will not fly their planes.

Jet 2 are now offering single trip travel insurance to their customers which gives the customer cover whilst abroad if the FCO advise against travel due to Covid 19, and covers them for medical treatment due to Covid whilst they’re abroad. If they’re not already doing it I imagine it won’t be long before other tour operators and low cost airlines start to do the same, so that solves the insurance problem.

The major issue remains the strange concept that if you live (for example) in Manchester where there are over 500 cases per 100,000 of the population you have to quarantine for 14 days if you return from a country where there are 21 cases per 100,000, although I suppose that whilst it’s good that it protects returning travellers from catching the disease in the street outside their house, it does nothing to slow the spread in Manchester.

Until there is a vaccine or governments in places like the U.K. stop trying to blame someone else for what’s happening in their own country people are still going to be reluctant to travel, unless they are retired or can work from home during the 14 day quarantine.

ATNotts 7th Oct 2020 09:44


The major issue remains the strange concept that if you live (for example) in Manchester where there are over 500 cases per 100,000 of the population you have to quarantine for 14 days if you return from a country where there are 21 cases per 100,000, although I suppose that whilst it’s good that it protects returning travellers from catching the disease in the street outside their house, it does nothing to slow the spread in Manchester.
Frankly, with the level of new infections in UK it is amazing that the hasn't already put on the quarantine list of the majority of countries around the world, so before too long it won't be a question of insurance, or quarantining on return to UK, but spending your two weeks holiday in glorious isolation in your holiday hotel.

EU countries, by and large, are taking a pretty lenient attitude to UK arrival, that I believe will cease to be the case from January 2021.

rog747 7th Oct 2020 09:49


Originally Posted by excrab (Post 10899721)
Jet 2 are now offering single trip travel insurance to their customers which gives the customer cover whilst abroad if the FCO advise against travel due to Covid 19, and covers them for medical treatment due to Covid whilst they’re abroad. If they’re not already doing it I imagine it won’t be long before other tour operators and low cost airlines start to do the same, so that solves the insurance problem.

I'm afraid no it doesn't solve the Travel insurance problem -
What you are quoting above is about Cover that is supplied if the pax are already away on their Hols and then an FCO advice comes into force -
Nothing to do with advance bookings or imminent upcoming travel, which is the problem now with Jet2 and TUI basically now cancelling Portugal (except FNC) and Turkey for the rest of the S20 season which included the last high season peak bookings of the OCT Half term which is a big loss of cash £££ to Tour Operators.

The only places left to visit for the remainder of S20 package holiday on the 'safe to go-list' is something like CFU, RHO, ATH a few other Greece airports, and Italy.

06 OCT In a statement, Jet2 said: "Due to the current government travel advice, we have taken the decision to extend the suspension of flights and holidays to the Canary Islands (Tenerife, Lanzarote, Fuerteventura and Gran Canaria) up to and including October 31st. "For bookings due to travel to Spain & the Canary Islands from 1st November onwards, we will provide an additional update once we receive further update from the government.

hec7or 7th Oct 2020 18:05


Originally Posted by Vokes55 (Post 10899316)
Source?

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Will be interesting to see what happens with Fosun for summer 2021, they have already done a deal with TUI for Cook flights.
Most of Cooks Holidays seem to be with Easyjet

Jonty 7th Oct 2020 18:19


Originally Posted by rog747 (Post 10899734)
I'm afraid no it doesn't solve the Travel insurance problem -
What you are quoting above is about Cover that is supplied if the pax are already away on their Hols and then an FCO advice comes into force -
Nothing to do with advance bookings or imminent upcoming travel, which is the problem now with Jet2 and TUI basically now cancelling Portugal (except FNC) and Turkey for the rest of the S20 season which included the last high season peak bookings of the OCT Half term which is a big loss of cash £££ to Tour Operators.

The only places left to visit for the remainder of S20 package holiday on the 'safe to go-list' is something like CFU, RHO, ATH a few other Greece airports, and Italy.

06 OCT In a statement, Jet2 said: "Due to the current government travel advice, we have taken the decision to extend the suspension of flights and holidays to the Canary Islands (Tenerife, Lanzarote, Fuerteventura and Gran Canaria) up to and including October 31st. "For bookings due to travel to Spain & the Canary Islands from 1st November onwards, we will provide an additional update once we receive further update from the government.


Jet2 travel insurance will cover you if you chose to travel against FCO advice, if you have one of their single trip policies.

https://www.jet2.com/flights/insurance?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign =Retail&utm_term=Insurance&utm_content=FCDO

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And with our single trip policies, you're covered if you go away against FCDO travel advice for COVID-19Ē

macdo 8th Oct 2020 10:26

Thats the most sensible thing I have seen a travel company do since this all started, however, with all the bells and whistles, I'd like to know the price and I'd read the small print very carefully.

EDIT
To answer my own question for a 5* 55 yr old with no medical issues for 7 nights. £55 which seems very reasonable to me.


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