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davidjohnson6 15th Mar 2020 16:13

It is worth remembering that Westminster can change the law at any time if it so chooses. It is likely that Boris with a large majority will seek to present an emergency bill to Parliament in the next week - you may find that the normal laws around travel, freedom of movement, insurance, commerce, freedom to protest, etc may be modified

Flying Hi 15th Mar 2020 16:37


Originally Posted by Johnny [email protected] Pants (Post 10715013)
If things continue as they are and either your destination won’t accept incoming visitors, or is imposing severe restrictions the Jet2 have shown that they have been decisive, even to the extent yesterday of taking the lead and returning plane loads of passengers who were well on their way to their Spanish destinations and turning them round. Jet2 won’t take you, you won’t need to worry about the insurance, Jet2 will offer various alternatives, from a refund to changing dates, to possibly offering you an alternative destination if any exist.

Sir, much appreciated. My thoughts go to the Jet2 flying teams (flight deck and cabin) and all their support personnel who must be worried about the situation too.

DjerbaDevil 15th Mar 2020 20:36


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10715017)
It is worth remembering that Westminster can change the law at any time if it so chooses. It is likely that Boris with a large majority will seek to present an emergency bill to Parliament in the next week - you may find that the normal laws around travel, freedom of movement, insurance, commerce, freedom to protest, etc may be modified

The question is NOT where and which country in Europe the British public will be able to fly to in the near future, since most if not all countries in Europe will accept passengers from the UK. On arrival of course they need to go to their accommodation for at least two weeks and stay put and only allowed to go out to buy food or medicines. The aforementioned would not add up to a normally acceptable holiday experience, hence the cancellation of holiday flights and the repatriation of passengers in resorts.

The future package holiday business may well be a complete disaster for the next year or so, due to the present policy measures suggested by the Boris Johnson government, that the best measures for the country to overcome the Covid 19 virus is for the main part of the population in the UK to become infected, thus we would have “herd immunity”!!!

If the above policy is finally confirmed, then there will be Coronavirus Type Covid 19 infection in the UK for the next year or so, which will mean that every country in the world will be closing their borders with the UK and there will be NO flights or holidays from the UK to anywhere in the world probably not even to the Isle of Man.

The “herd immunity” policy will kill thousands in the UK and mostly the old, the weak and the unwell. It will also bring the UK down to its knees financially. For any business to survive, it would be a miracle.

So let us look towards our own situation here at home in the UK and let us hope that the Government comes to their senses and locks down the country like the Chinese and most, if not all, European countries for the next few weeks. It is after all the only proven way of controlling the Virus before it takes over control of the country as a whole.

Flying Hi 15th Mar 2020 21:01

Memo to self - if COVID-19 doesn't kill me off, remember at the next General Election how BoJo considered the over-70s to be Collateral Damage to preserve his 'herd'. - of sheep?

Buster the Bear 15th Mar 2020 21:09

Owning your own aircraft, simply means you can ground them at little cost. I realise that some are leased. All flying will be banned soon enough and for an extended period. Staff will be asked to stand down on no pay awaiting an upturn.

Flying Hi 15th Mar 2020 21:13


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 10715292)
Owning your own aircraft, simply means you can ground them at little cost. I realise that some are leased. All flying will be banned soon enough and for an extended period. Staff will be asked to stand down on no pay awaiting an upturn.

Try paying your mortgage with that one.

JonnyH 15th Mar 2020 21:23

It looks to me from the notes on the cancelled flights that they’re clinging to the hope that the Spain lockdown will not last longer than 2 weeks although this is very unlikely. All other suspensions seem to be at least the last week of April.

On a side note, why has LSAC positioned to ACE from MAN to operate ACE-NCL? JZBJ had already positioned out to do it now and now seems to be positioning back empty? Pretty pointless.

nowhereasfiled 15th Mar 2020 21:50


Originally Posted by JonnyH (Post 10715320)
It looks to me from the notes on the cancelled flights that they’re clinging to the hope that the Spain lockdown will not last longer than 2 weeks although this is very unlikely. All other suspensions seem to be at least the last week of April.

On a side note, why has LSAC positioned to ACE from MAN to operate ACE-NCL? JZBJ had already positioned out to do it now and now seems to be positioning back empty? Pretty pointless.


BJ went tech. AC (the airport standby aircraft) taking out a spare part and 2 fresh flight crew. AC operating BJs original sector, BJ positioning back owith original crew as pax after a quick fix with the spare part.

OzzyOzBorn 16th Mar 2020 00:37


Originally Posted by Flying Hi (Post 10715282)
Memo to self - if COVID-19 doesn't kill me off, remember at the next General Election how BoJo considered the over-70s to be Collateral Damage to preserve his 'herd'. - of sheep?

The UK policy on dealing with COVID-19 has enjoyed broad cross-party support. Some dissenting voices certainly, but this crisis rises above petty party politics. The medical experts are outlining what they perceive to be the best course of action; the politicians are signing it off. This is not about the political figurehead of the day.

The truth is, the politicians can't win on this one. COVID-19 does inevitably come with a death toll. Every loss of life a tragedy. But in reality the result of fate, not of a political decision by an individual. The whole point of the UK strategy is to handle the worst of the outbreak gradually through the more benign Summer months. Successful containment through to the start of next Winter would be potentially calamitous. Imagine the death toll if the accursed virus gets loose for its first pass at the herd then.

We will never know for sure what strategy would have produced optimum results. But the one being pursued here is based upon the best recommendations of our medical science experts. They're all doing their best and they're far more qualified to make these judgment calls than keyboard warriors on forums such as this. They have families to protect too. Let's support them as they do this very difficult job. Online trial by the great unwashed does nothing to help.

Big Tudor 16th Mar 2020 07:35


Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn (Post 10715466)
We will never know for sure what strategy would have produced optimum results.

Yes we will. There are varying tactics being deployed by different countries with very different outcomes. Compare and contrast after the event and you will get your answer. I’m no expert but I would suggest ‘daily televised broadcasts’ from the government will not be at the top end of the success table.

Flying Wild 16th Mar 2020 09:28


Originally Posted by Big Tudor (Post 10715630)
Yes we will. There are varying tactics being deployed by different countries with very different outcomes. Compare and contrast after the event and you will get your answer. I’m no expert but I would suggest ‘daily televised broadcasts’ from the government will not be at the top end of the success table.

I would suggest that despite all the wrongs of the Chinese regime, they were able to get it right in this instance with the total shutdown of a large swathe of the country to contain the spread. Looks as if it has worked. Meanwhile, there is still plenty of movement around the UK... The economy has taken a massive hit already. The markets have fallen off a cliff this morning. I think a total shutdown of all but non-essential services for at least two weeks would be one way of containing the spread. Imagine if this could be globally co-ordinated...

Kinocker 16th Mar 2020 09:58

It's hard to see where Jet 2 go from here, there will be no summer holiday market this year. Can they survive on zero income until the winter, make it through the winter low season and last until the next high season in summer 2021? You would think they will need government assistance to do so.

Unfortunately however, we are stuck with the least competent UK government in living memory. Sadly a lot of older British people voted for their own deaths at the last General election, and indeed in the Brexit vote. There was just no telling them otherwise.

If the Government were serious about protecting the vulnerable in society they would be announcing a full Spanish style shutdown TODAY. Instead business and other organisations are having to take a lead by cancelling events as the government are not up to the task. By the time they close the gate next week or later the horse will have bolted. There are only 5,000 ventilators in the UK for 67 million people.

67.5 million people
80% infection
2% death rate or higher due to government failures and 10 years of austerity and cutbacks

=more than a million deaths.

nowhereasfiled 16th Mar 2020 10:03


Originally Posted by Kinocker (Post 10715782)
It's hard to see where Jet 2 go from here, there will be no summer holiday market this year. Can they survive on zero income until the winter, make it through the winter low season and last until the next high season in summer 2021? You would think they will need government assistance to do so.
.

Jet2 are fortunate in that they are sitting on a healthy cash reserve which won’t dry up for a few months even with an entirely grounded fleet. Add to that a management team that are very smart, and know exactly what and what not to do and when.

They also have a very loyal customer base especially in the North, so when this eventually does blow over, they won’t be short of bookings

SWBKCB 16th Mar 2020 10:03

This is not specifically a Jet2 issue, but one facing many businesses - lots of general threads throughout Pprune....

Flying Hi 16th Mar 2020 10:04


Originally Posted by Kinocker (Post 10715782)

Unfortunately however, we are stuck with the least competent UK government in living memory. Sadly a lot of older British people voted for their own deaths at the last General election.

Quite so. All to preserve the 'herd'.
Now there's the threat of £1000 fine or being locked up in a sanatorium if we over-70s dare go to the shops for 16 weeks.

H44 16th Mar 2020 11:07


Jet2 are fortunate in that they are sitting on a healthy cash reserve
Do you know how much that cash reserve is, and how long it would last with no income? Just interested as a lot of other airlines are asking for government help. A different source mentioned Jet2 have liabilities of £2bn?

Fletch 16th Mar 2020 12:29


Originally Posted by H44 (Post 10715871)
Do you know how much that cash reserve is, and how long it would last with no income? Just interested as a lot of other airlines are asking for government help. A different source mentioned Jet2 have liabilities of £2bn?


Of the £2 billion in liabilities, roughly £1 billion is for aircraft loans and lease obligations and the other £1 billion is customers cash who have yet to take their flight/holiday I think. They have several hundred million of their own cash i'd guess.

They have a great deal of flexibility to re-size the fleet with bringing forward aircraft retirements and not renewing damp lease aircraft. Spain in particular will be desperate to re-open their inbound tourism market ASAP, so I guess a lot depends on how badly the UK economy tanks, how quick it is to recover and what happens to consumer confidence/demand. If one or two of the weaker operators in the market fall away/contract then there may well be opportunities when/if they get through this.

Flying Wild 16th Mar 2020 12:45

You only have to look at the Jet2 social media feeds with people questioning whether their flights in late April, May, June, etc are going ahead. All Joe Public wants to do is go on their hard-earned holiday. I suspect that once the peak has subsided and travel restrictions lifted, people will be flocking back overseas and flights will be full. It's kind of like the ridiculousness with loo roll. People will follow the "herd"...

snowman1 16th Mar 2020 12:58

jet2
 

Originally Posted by Flying Hi (Post 10715794)
Quite so. All to preserve the 'herd'.
Now there's the threat of £1000 fine or being locked up in a sanatorium if we over-70s dare go to the shops for 16 weeks.

flying hi
for gods sake stop moaning i am 76 and have a 75year old wife with a chronic chest problem who may or may not survive this and she is moor cheerful than you.
and this is supposed to be be the jet2 page.
stay lucky
sm

brian_dromey 16th Mar 2020 14:29


Originally Posted by Flying Wild (Post 10715993)
You only have to look at the Jet2 social media feeds with people questioning whether their flights in late April, May, June, etc are going ahead. All Joe Public wants to do is go on their hard-earned holiday. I suspect that once the peak has subsided and travel restrictions lifted, people will be flocking back overseas and flights will be full. It's kind of like the ridiculousness with loo roll. People will follow the "herd"...

I’m not so sure. Other airlines have publicly confirmed that demand is more or less non-existent. That started before various governments started imposing travel restrictions. You might be right, bit I don’t think people will be “flocking” back in June/July, I think it will be much more gradual a return. What would happen if schools closed for Term3, for example? Would they remain closed in July/August or return early, possibly with the expectation of a closure next year in flu-season?


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