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BAladdy 18th Feb 2019 09:30

Does anyone were Loganair are getting the ER4 aircraft to operate the 5 ex bmi routes?. Are more former BM aircraft going to be transferred to LM?.

Richard Taylor 18th Feb 2019 09:35

Well there's at least one in BRS - just need to pay a bill...…… :O

BAladdy 18th Feb 2019 10:50

Looks like LM are planning to use 2 ER4’s to operate flights from ABZ. However there are some gaps in the schedule. Based on the current schedule loaded the 2 aircraft will operate:
Aircraft 1
Monday

07:30 BRS-ABZ 08:55
09:30 ABZ-OSL-ABZ 13:25
14:15 ABZ-BRS-ABZ 17:25
18:05 ABZ-BRS-ABZ 21:30

Tuesday to Friday

13:40 ABZ-OSL-ABZ 17:35
18:05 ABZ-BRS-ABZ 21:30

Sunday

13:40 ABZ-OSL-ABZ 17:35
18:05 ABZ-BRS 19:25

Aircraft 2
Monday to Friday

10:20 ABZ-EBJ-ABZ 13:40

Are Loganair really going to have one ER4 operating just to ABZ-EBJ-ABZ?.



Fly757X 18th Feb 2019 10:59


Originally Posted by BAladdy (Post 10393483)
Looks like LM are planning to use 2 ER4’s to operate flights from ABZ. However there are some gaps in the schedule. Based on the current schedule loaded the 2 aircraft will operate:
Aircraft 1
Monday

07:30 BRS-ABZ 08:55
09:30 ABZ-OSL-ABZ 13:25
14:15 ABZ-BRS-ABZ 17:25
18:05 ABZ-BRS-ABZ 21:30

Tuesday to Friday

13:40 ABZ-OSL-ABZ 17:35
18:05 ABZ-BRS-ABZ 21:30

Sunday

13:40 ABZ-OSL-ABZ 17:35
18:05 ABZ-BRS 19:25

Aircraft 2
Monday to Friday

10:20 ABZ-EBJ-ABZ 13:40

Are Loganair really going to have one ER4 operating just to ABZ-EBJ-ABZ?.



NCL is one ER4. Looks like no ER3s at this time on top of the second one that was always coming get across.

Has as anyone heard anything about the other ER3/4 that we’re due to transfer across before S19?

Flightrider 18th Feb 2019 11:07

Surely the ABZ-EBJ fits on the ABZ-NWI aircraft operating for Eastern, just as it did for bmi?

BAladdy 18th Feb 2019 11:16


Originally Posted by mmeteesside (Post 10392761)
E145 SAJC positioned into Chester to operate Airbus flights from tomorrow presumably. ATR42 leased from DOT to cover at Glasgow

G-SAJB positioned to BRS last night to join G-SAJC in operating the Airbus flights. ATR72-600 (ES-ATA) has been leased from Nordica to cover LM’s flight from INV.

Can’t find any information on how long the aircraft have been leased for.

awwdabaaby 18th Feb 2019 11:22


Originally Posted by BAladdy (Post 10393497)

G-SAJB positioned to BRS last night to join G-SAJC in operating the Airbus flights. ATR72-600 (ES-ATA) has been leased from Nordica to cover LM’s flight from INV.

Can’t find any information on how long the aircraft have been leased for.

think they only here for a week, should be back to normal for the weekend

BAladdy 18th Feb 2019 11:24


Originally Posted by Flightrider (Post 10393491)
Surely the ABZ-EBJ fits on the ABZ-NWI aircraft operating for Eastern, just as it did for bmi?

T3’s agreement with BM was set to end at the end of March.

Flights on T3’s ABZ-NWI route have for the last year been shown on BE’s website as operated by BM in behalf of T3. BE updated the schedule back in November and flight to NWI changed to just operated by T3 from the start of the S19 schedule.

Richard Taylor 18th Feb 2019 14:55

Wonder if LOG are planning anything else ex ABZ - there are indeed gaps a-plenty as BAladdy says. Aircraft one occupied on Mon, but Tues-Fri it's free all morning; and a/c two has a very light schedule! However I guess start with the established ex-bmi routes & assess from there.

Aero Mad 18th Feb 2019 16:37

Something that's been bugging me that I can't get my head around is this. Airline Investments Ltd (AIL) has made a (perfectly valid) commercial decision to allow one of its subsidiaries to enter administration, by failing to give it sufficient funds to continue operating. I haven't read their recent accounts but one assumes that Flybmi now has insufficient assets to meet obligations to creditors.

Another subsidiary of AIL, Loganair, has taken on several of Flybmi's routes. All Flybmi reservations are no longer valid and customers must re-book with Loganair. If there are insufficient assets to give full refunds to those who have already paid for reservations, this raises the prospect of the parent company profiting from allowing Flybmi to enter administration. Even if customers receive a full refund, would it not have been easier for AIL/Loganair and for customers simply to transfer their bookings? For lots of reasons it's certainly difficult to believe that Loganair didn't know this in the pipe-line.

I may be barking up the wrong tree here and I'm not alleging any illegal behaviour, but at the very least it does seem a very odd way to go about managing the process.

davidjohnson6 18th Feb 2019 17:26

Aeromad - if one could claim in the bankruptcy court that Loganair was sonehow a successor company or otherwise legally related to bmir, then creditors of bmir might then be able to sue for the assets of Loganair as well. If AIL want to sacrifice bmir and retain Loganair, then they need to be able to justify to the judge that the 2 airlines are legally unrelated. The judge may well smell a rat anyway over bmir and Loganair, but if nothing can be proven then AIL will get what they want

Fly757X 18th Feb 2019 18:13

Haven't seen this posted here but this is the information for BMI crew: https://www.loganair.co.uk/wp-conten...info-pack1.pdf

BAladdy 18th Feb 2019 19:35


Originally Posted by Fly757X (Post 10393968)
Haven't seen this posted here but this is the information for BMI crew: https://www.loganair.co.uk/wp-conten...info-pack1.pdf

Looks like Loganair are planning to add new bases at Bristol, Chester, Derry, East Midlands and Newcastle. As they are also advertising for Cabin Crew for those airports.

https://www.loganair.co.uk/recruitment-drive/

4567 18th Feb 2019 21:35

I’m sure the AIL owners Stephen and Peter Bond has their lawyers erect a very large legal firewall between themselves and and Flybmi but by taking over such a vast amount of Flybmi routes they do leave themselves open to criticism about how this whole situation has went down.

Flightrider 18th Feb 2019 21:49


by taking over such a vast amount of Flybmi routes
Five at last count?!

Facts R Us 18th Feb 2019 22:08


Originally Posted by BAladdy (Post 10393503)

T3’s agreement with BM was set to end at the end of March.

No it wasn’t, it was a 5 year deal with about 2/3 years left to run.

SWBKCB 19th Feb 2019 06:43


Looks like Loganair are planning to add new bases at Bristol, Chester, Derry, East Midlands and Newcastle. As they are also advertising for Cabin Crew for those airports.
So is that all of flybmi's old UK bases? Looks like they have already got (or are confident of getting) the LDY PSO work, the Airbus contract and the EMA flying (not yet announced?)

22/04 19th Feb 2019 07:32


I’m sure the AIL owners Stephen and Peter Bond has their lawyers erect a very large legal firewall between themselves and and Flybmi but by taking over such a vast amount of Flybmi routes they do leave themselves open to criticism about how this whole situation has went down.
One ailing airline with a heavy commitment to European flying which will become more difficult or to any extent is less certain in the new politik.

Another airline with a large commitment to UK flying.

Strategic decision to run one down and place much of the UK flying with another to whom you have recently place Embraer's. Looks ok to me.

fanrailuk 19th Feb 2019 09:17


Originally Posted by 22/04 (Post 10394395)
One ailing airline with a heavy commitment to European flying which will become more difficult or to any extent is less certain in the new politik.

Another airline with a large commitment to UK flying.

Strategic decision to run one down and place much of the UK flying with another to whom you have recently place Embraer's. Looks ok to me.

Not sure you can use the "run one down" as this doesn't seem to have been the case, on the face of things at least - more like "run them out".

And also the fact that they announced taking over the flybmi aircraft, ABZ routes and set-up a whole new crew base in NCL within 24hrs...

All seems very orchestrated...and terribly convenient.


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