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kcockayne 4th Aug 2019 21:32


Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10536166)
The load factor for June was 46% unless there were any cancelled flights I'm not aware of. There seems to have been a large increase in capacity on GCI-LON this year and the decision to fly GCI-SEN daily seemed strange to me.

I have tried, in previous posts, to explain that Channel Island routes are not money spinners. In particular, Guernsey routes are marginal. This load factor & the personal experience of another poster just go to prove this supposition. There has been a large increase in capacity this year (EGLL & EGMC). Together, this adds c120 seats per day. It is generally not possible to fill anywhere near all of these seats. The demand is simply not there ; as is also the case with the LOG Bournemouth service. Consequently, Blue Island are highly unlikely to add a second daily ‘MC flight. There is much complaining in Guernsey at the lack of routes to the island , & the lack of a LCC. Until there is a significant increase in demand (& usage) of existing services & airlines, there can surely be no further increase in services & destinations ; or of a reduction in fares provided by a LCC.

cobopete 5th Aug 2019 19:48

Well said kcockayne, sums up the situation perfectly.
Pete

aurigny72 5th Aug 2019 20:03


Originally Posted by Jerbourg (Post 10508567)
I'm hearing whispers that STN is to be dropped from the schedule, if this is true it seems that maybe the new Flybe & Blue Islands routes to LHR & SEN have eaten away at the passenger loads..

Any more whispers jerbourg about STN being dropped?

Jerbourg 6th Aug 2019 15:33

No nothing, I got the info from an Aurigny insider so seemed genuine.

bmaviscount 19th Aug 2019 06:57

Take it back the SEN flight was packed last Friday!
Great airport to depart from
Check un lady said it had been popular with a mix of business and leisure

Hermite 19th Aug 2019 09:45

Jethros indicates that the first new ATR is due this month. Any news of when this may be?

kcockayne 19th Aug 2019 18:42


Originally Posted by bmaviscount (Post 10548851)
Take it back the SEN flight was packed last Friday!
Great airport to depart from
Check un lady said it had been popular with a mix of business and leisure

Pleased to hear that. Let’s hope that they keep it up.

bmaviscount 21st Aug 2019 06:41

why do Aurigny run their inter-island services and Southampton services at the same time as blue islands ; surely this is not sustainable??

Why not a higher frequency Dornier service

Were these routes simply to use G Huet?

Anyone know about loads?

Gurnard 21st Aug 2019 07:50


Originally Posted by bmaviscount (Post 10550382)
why do Aurigny run their inter-island services and Southampton services at the same time as blue islands ; surely this is not sustainable??

Why not a higher frequency Dornier service

Were these routes simply to use G Huet?

Anyone know about loads?

Morning and evening times are the most popular: that's why Aurigny have chosen to serve the route then. "Middle of the day" times tend to have lighter loads.
How long it two airlines can compete like this remains to be seen. It happened before when Jersey European took on KLM UK. They didn't compete for all that long.
Yes, the route has utilized G-HUET, but at times an ATR72 is used.
Loads have been good. I was told this at check-in at SOU a few weeks ago. Some have been full. Very attractive fares have been offered, at £19.99 well below LGW prices.

cobopete 20th Sep 2019 18:46

With FlyBE reportedly pulling the JER EMA service would it be worth Aurigny making EMA GCI JER a triangular route. I flew GCI EMA 14 Sep ....it was quite full but I don’ think this is usual. Might be worth a try.

Hermite 24th Sep 2019 14:01

Aurigny seem to be running with one Dornier at the moment. G-LGIS has been off for 3 days but G-OAUR hasn't been out for a few weeks. Any ideas what is happening - are both a/c tech?

Gurnard 24th Sep 2019 21:33

Both G-OAUR and G-LGIS were in the hangar (along with G-VZON) this afternoon. G-OAUR was last in service on the 6th. Both are undergoing maintenance. To create space G-SAYE was moved outside. (Don't know why they are hanging on to this fairly useless frame.) All Dornier flights were operated by G-ETAC today which meant cancelling services to SOU or running others at different times. Alderney residents are bound to have their own thoughts.

Hermite 24th Sep 2019 22:31

Thanks for the comments. I have wondered why they acquired G-SAYE in the first place as it is a lower spec a/c than G-LGIS (it has a lower MTOW, hence reduced capacity). It seems to me as well that if they need 2 a/c operational every day to offer the ACI service, then relying on a 31 year old a/c as part of a fleet of 3 is perhaps being a little optimistic. I guess that they should have bought 3 new a/c once they had decided on the move to Dorniers, but perhaps they weren't allowed to do so.

Hermite 6th Oct 2019 10:22

G-OAUR is still out of service after 1 month. This seems like rather a long time for routine maintenance on a relatively new a/c - I wonder what the problem is. G-LGIS is also out of service for 4 days, so they must be having problems there as well.

kcockayne 6th Oct 2019 18:38


Originally Posted by Hermite (Post 10587819)
G-OAUR is still out of service after 1 month. This seems like rather a long time for routine maintenance on a relatively new a/c - I wonder what the problem is. G-LGIS is also out of service for 4 days, so they must be having problems there as well.

The Dornier saga goes on & on !

Coochycool 7th Oct 2019 07:51

Do they still have any Trislanders in operation? Been a while since I took a look.

Egda 7th Oct 2019 08:35

No all the Trislanders have gone, more than a year ago now

virginblue 7th Oct 2019 09:26

From what I gather, the Alderney schedule requires a single ACI-based airframe with 4x daily flights to GCI and 2x daily flights to SOU. Which means that Aurigny has three Dornier 228s to cover a schedule that requires a single airframe. So effectively they have the luxury of having two spares in the hangar? So it should be no surprise that examples are not to be seen for a considerable time. Or am I missing something here?

MDS 7th Oct 2019 09:36

Do Aurigny operate occasional charters to Spain?

Looked up G-HUET on FR24 and saw it had made the trip GCI-AGP-GCI back in December last year. Return sector was over 3.5 hours! Impressive for an ATR42. In Feb and March of this year an ATR72 also operated down there.

Wasn't sure if these were charters (as hadn't seen these mentioned before) or if they were for other operational reasons.

Gurnard 7th Oct 2019 09:54

G-HUET as well as all three ATR72s went to Malaga last winter and onward to Las Palmas for maintenance. One of the legs from GCI to AGP and return took pax - a special put on by Aurigny.
As for the Dornier saga, one airframe can do the required flights over the winter months, but the schedule requires two - one based overnight in ACI, the other at GCI. Normally the Guernsey a/c goes to ACI and on to SOU, while the Alderney aircraft begins the day with a trip to GCI. If flight times are adjusted for one a/c to do the lot, starting from ACI, it means a delay for the GCI-ACI first flight of the day and a delay for the morning ACI-SOU sector.
Forgetting G-SAYE (which is a bit of a disaster with its limitations and no longer flies) there should be one spare airframe, not two.


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