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cobopete 15th Dec 2018 10:37

Guernsey government agreed (yesterday 14Dec) to becoming guarantor for £46M loan for Aurigny to purchase 3new ATR 600 fitted with “ClearVision” fog busting” IR HUD to replace current ATR. First delivery August next year other 2 before next Xmas. Studies showed purchase to be more cost effective than lease.

snchater 15th Dec 2018 16:33


Originally Posted by cobopete (Post 10336215)
Studies showed purchase to be more cost effective than lease.

And yet almost every major carrier consider leasing to be the more cost effective option .....

Gurnard 15th Dec 2018 17:33


Originally Posted by snchater (Post 10336410)


And yet almost every major carrier consider leasing to be the more cost effective option .....

The States of Guernsey often have different ideas. :=

cobopete 15th Dec 2018 17:43

I understand it had a lot to do with the terms ATR were prepared to offer for Aurigny to be the lead customer for their new technology - possibly because the islands provide an ideal place and conditions to show off its benefits!
Pete
The independant consultants engaged to study the options available estimated leasing cost of an ATR600 to be £130,000 a month per aircraft. You do the sums!

Hermite 15th Dec 2018 18:15


Originally Posted by snchater (Post 10336410)


And yet almost every major carrier consider leasing to be the more cost effective option .....

Are you sure that this is true? Looking at G-INFO, most seem to have a mix of leased and owned. I can understand leasing for a short term requirement, but for an a/c required in the long term, how can paying the leasor who has to buy the a/c and also make a profit be cheaper than buying the a/c themselves and not contributing to a leasor's profits?

cobopete 15th Dec 2018 18:44

I forgot to take into account that COBO and VZON have part exchange value of approx $16 million making the “buy” deal even better for Aurigny.


cobopete 28th Dec 2018 18:26

I note that while GNSEY was down earlier this week awaiting part for repair, two Titan Airbus A320 GPOWK and GPOWM were leased to operate the Gatwick route. Does anyone know what PAX number restrictions are applied to allow them to operate in and out of GCI?
Thanx
Pete

five zero by ortac 26th Feb 2019 11:26

GCI-JER & GCI-SOU
 
Aurigny have announced two additional routes;
GCI - SOU
GCI - JER
Both with their ATR42, twice daily, from May.

I guess Flybe / Blue Islands won't be too happy.

GCILover 26th Feb 2019 11:29


Originally Posted by five zero by ortac (Post 10400881)
Aurigny have announced two additional routes;
GCI - SOU
GCI - JER
Both with their ATR42, twice daily, from May.

I guess Flybe / Blue Islands won't be too happy.

So these routes have already proved that they cannot sustain 2 operators. How on earth do Aurigny think that by adding more flights which will have to be at a reduced fair to gain customers will help them to break even,

Stop ordering new technology and new aircraft before that technology is approved might be a good place to start.

Jerbourg 26th Feb 2019 15:59

And another new route to be announced shortly too I hear,
I wonder if it will be domestic or European?

kcockayne 26th Feb 2019 17:11

Standby for even greater operational losses; & an opportunity for the States to bail them out for an even more substantial sum ! It just highlights the absurdity of it all as, while AUR are being bailed out, the States will also be subsidizing their main competitors to the tune of £825,000 to provide a Heathrow service which takes business away from their “ in house” airline ! You really could not make it up ! Just heard the Managing Director of AUR saying that the fares for these routes “will be attractive” - just wait - they may achieve losses even greater than I am expecting.

bmaviscount 26th Feb 2019 21:25

Fascinating
History repeating itself on SOU and JER; SOU always used to have 2 operators and what happened to the BI/GR joint inter-island venture.
cant believe there is the demand
Shame Waves went bust
Inter island needs a higher frequency of small plane; Dornier better suited?

cobopete 27th Feb 2019 13:21

Press releases state that the “spare” ATR 42 GHUET is to be used.
Pete

Hermite 5th Apr 2019 08:03

Aurigny have been retiming the Alderney flights for a few days now. Anyone know why?

Egda 5th Apr 2019 12:37

Aurigny have been retiming the Alderney
 
Shortage of ATC I believe, especially around Midday

five zero by ortac 5th Apr 2019 13:32

Two aircraft on maintenance, one aircraft is tech awaiting parts, so only one serviceable aircraft. Hence the schedule going out the window.

Hermite 8th Apr 2019 19:20

G-ETAC is back in service today but has a white rudder. Has this been replaced, and if so, what was wrong with the old one. I seem to recall that G-OAUR also appeared with a white rudder a few months ago. Same problem on both a/c?

Jerbourg 3rd Jul 2019 11:22

I'm hearing whispers that STN is to be dropped from the schedule, if this is true it seems that maybe the new Flybe & Blue Islands routes to LHR & SEN have eaten away at the passenger loads..

KindaUnstuck 3rd Jul 2019 12:41


Originally Posted by Jerbourg (Post 10508567)
I'm hearing whispers that STN is to be dropped from the schedule, if this is true it seems that maybe the new Flybe & Blue Islands routes to LHR & SEN have eaten away at the passenger loads..

It's been on the cards for a while, when I came back through Stansted last August the flight was late and the captain apologised and said that they had been having issues with the handling agents and that the route had been looked at carefully within the airline as it was causing Aurigny a headache but at that time it would continue for now due to lack of alternatives... maybe that and the other routes opening mean Aurigny are going to review their decision.

Whilst not necessarily unusual, I have noticed the ATR 42 seems to have done the Stansted run before it does the evening Jersey and Southampton runs a few times recently, suggesting that the loads are at best in the mid
​​​​​​40s each way

kcockayne 3rd Jul 2019 21:11

That is the point. Guernsey - London has a limited clientele. If you widen the options, you divide the available traffic between more operators. Simple, really. This neatly illustrates the folly of the States subsidizing their State airline & simultaneously subsidizing its main competitor !


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