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Originally Posted by mullac30
(Post 10430295)
Red Wings A220s were meant to go into production very soon before the lease agreement was canceled, perhaps Connect are picking them up at the last minute from Red Wings' leasing company.
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Delta owns 49% of Virgin and have 90 A220 on order . Not sure with tariffs if some come to the uk |
If there are deep pockets they are probably in Atlanta.
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Originally Posted by EI-BUD
(Post 10430247)
So if the above rumours are true re A220 and MAN to London routes; I'm struggling to see what has changed since Little Red was operating in respect to Virgin's potential volume of connecting traffic? It didn't work then, what will make it work now? This route has limited point to point and in that respect is well serviced by BA, not to mention slot availability and cost at LGW and LHR.
Stobart is heavily invested with Embraer now and they potentially will proceed to add more complexity and cost to the fleet when it would appear streamlining it would seem more logical. with a large fleet of q400s and a 'supposedly' loss making network, I'd have expected to see a route network restructure aligned to the stated objectives of providing network feed to VS and I'd guess the maintenance of the profitable routes. If that is completed there still is a large fleet to find meaning work for and now they are about to add extra aircraft and a new type ... the mind boggles ... |
I might be a bit behind on the conversation, but were DL trying to offload some A220's to Aeromexico?
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Starting MAN > LHR & LGW. |
Could this be confused with the rumoured IAG order for A220's destined fro Aer Lingus and Cityflyer?
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I'll believe the A220 order for Connect Airways when I see it.
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Agree. If IAG don’t cut the current ‘bond’ between Aer Lingus Regional and Stobart/Connect soon then they are idiots. Virgin is a competitor to IAG unless I’ve missed something? |
Originally Posted by JSCL
(Post 10430032)
Not sure if this is already on here.... but heard yesterday that FlyBe are going down the A220 route. Starting MAN > LHR & LGW.
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The American domestic market is a completely different beast to the UK domestic market, infact they are so far removed from each other I don't see where any comparisons can be made at all.
Rivet Joint, your foresight is truly astounding, how you don't hold a senior strategic management role within a major world airline is equally, if not more astounding. Your talents are wasted. |
Originally Posted by Reversethrustset
(Post 10430620)
The American domestic market is a completely different beast to the UK domestic market, infact they are so far removed from each other I don't see where any comparisons can be made at all.
Rivet Joint, your foresight is truly astounding, how you don't hold a senior strategic management role within a major world airline is equally, if not more astounding. Your talents are wasted. |
I think history is the biggest teller as to why airlines haven't jumped on the bandwagon. The only domestic routes that will probably make money in the UK flying jets the size of the A220/320 are your core trunk routes, Scotland - London, Ireland - London, Bristol - Scotland. I've heard figures being banded from senior management that these routes have to run at 85% load factor just to break even so that doesn't really beg the question why airlines aren't flying SOU - NCL etc on A319s etc, the answer is right there, just look at history, it doesn't work, the routes are too thin, it's the same as why airlines aren't operating out of Bournemouth in abundance; why not? It simply doesn't work, if it did you'd see them in there competing. If the A220 order books are full and they are difficult to come by this could drive up leasing costs, I can't see brand new aircraft having competitive lease costs flying thin, domestic routes around the UK. I wouldn't be so shocked to see it happen but I'd be more shocked if it was profitable. It is my opinion that even the A220 is still way off the mark economically to make such a pipe dream a profitable reality. Time will tell.
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The economics would only work if there is a core, year-round business market prepared to pay for flexible fares.
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The Sukhoi Superjet was also created this century.
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Back around 2011 or so Jim French and his management bet the company on the notion that re-fleeting with regional jets would sort out flybe’s problems. That worked out a treat, didn’t it? The lesson must surely be: Get the network, pricing and loads right first and then consider a re-fleeting. |
I think history is the biggest teller as to why airlines haven't jumped on the bandwagon. The only domestic routes that will probably make money in the UK flying jets the size of the A220/320 are your core trunk routes, Scotland - London, Ireland - London, Bristol - Scotland. is Hop in France heavily subsided? If so maybe this is the only way the UK can have a regional network. |
Flybe Isle of Man to Heathrow
A new daily Flybe connection between the Isle of Man Heathrow has been put on sale today.
Flights are daily and start as soon as 21st April ! Operated on Dash8-Q400 https://www.flybe.com/cheap-flights/isle-of-man Seems quite a short lead time for bookings, but perhaps they've been working on inplementing it for some time? |
Who would've thought a few years ago that Flybe would be building a domestic network from LHR, which from the seasons change this Sunday will include EDI, ABZ, NQY, GCI and soon after IOM. Perhaps more to come once the Virgin/Stobart takeover kicks in?
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The IOM timings appear to match the current 3rd Jet Aiways frequency on BOM which they are dropping from S19 schedule. where VS leasing these slots to Jet or have Jer sold them to raise cash? |
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