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Originally Posted by Alwayslistening
(Post 10300417)
Yes all correct. Cardiff receive government grants perhaps that’s the reason for the additional aircraft?? DSA is only going to get bigger with TUI starting long haul flights next year and the terminal being extended. Real potential for Flybe to gain a proper foothold in the region if they make the right decisions. |
Flybe right now are having a bit of a tough time and their competitors will likely be very much aware of this.
What stops the likes of Easyjet and Ryanair from deploying A320 / B737 aircraft on Flybe's main trunk routes ? I'm thinking of the likes of SOU-EDI/GLA/MAN/JER/AMS and the equivalent out if EXT, BHX and MAN ? Easyjet have not been afraid to make life harder for Flybe on the Isle of Man As relatively short routes, runway length becomes less important. The only thing I can think of is competition law (I can't really see MOL worrying that aggressive competition would not look very nice to the middle classes !) but as long as LCCs can show they were not price dumping they would presumably have a defence in court |
Did flybe used to have a base on the Isle of man, if so how many based aircraft did they used to have there.
I am sure I read somewhere recently that they are reopening the isle of Man base and having 3 dash8 aircraft there, but I fail to see on what routes 3 dash8 aircraft would be used on, unless that's not what I read, as I cant find the original article now...…..# |
Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 10301410)
Flybe right now are having a bit of a tough time and their competitors will likely be very much aware of this.
What stops the likes of Easyjet and Ryanair from deploying A320 / B737 aircraft on Flybe's main trunk routes ? I'm thinking of the likes of SOU-EDI/GLA/MAN/JER/AMS and the equivalent out if EXT, BHX and MAN ? Easyjet have not been afraid to make life harder for Flybe on the Isle of Man As relatively short routes, runway length becomes less important. The only thing I can think of is competition law (I can't really see MOL worrying that aggressive competition would not look very nice to the middle classes !) but as long as LCCs can show they were not price dumping they would presumably have a defence in court 1/ What makes you think Easy or Ryan give much of a hoot what Flybe do when they seem quite capable of hitting the self-destruct button all by themselves. 2/ Suppose they did want to hurt Flybe...it's a 70+ aircraft airline..where are they supposed to source that number of hulls with crews from to make a difference. Flybe are UK only...Easy and Ryan are true pan-European airlines....I suspect what Flybe does goes largely beneath both companies notice (apart from comedy value) until such time as the routes become of interest due to implosion. |
What stops the likes of Easyjet and Ryanair from deploying A320 / B737 aircraft on Flybe's main trunk routes ? I'm thinking of the likes of SOU-EDI/GLA/MAN/JER/AMS and the equivalent out if EXT, BHX and MAN ? Easyjet have not been afraid to make life harder for Flybe on the Isle of Man |
Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 10301410)
What stops the likes of Easyjet and Ryanair from deploying A320 / B737 aircraft on Flybe's main trunk routes ? I'm thinking of the likes of SOU-EDI/GLA/MAN/JER/AMS and the equivalent out if EXT, BHX and MAN ? Easyjet have not been afraid to make life harder for Flybe on the Isle of Man
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Originally Posted by fjencl
(Post 10301446)
Did flybe used to have a base on the Isle of man, if so how many based aircraft did they used to have there.
I am sure I read somewhere recently that they are reopening the isle of Man base and having 3 dash8 aircraft there, but I fail to see on what routes 3 dash8 aircraft would be used on, unless that's not what I read, as I cant find the original article now...…..# The Stobart ATR72-500s ACMI lease arrangement is being terminated and FlyBe are re-opening a base at Ronaldsway with 2 Q400s which will operate weekdays to MAN (5 x daily) LPL (4 x daily) and BHX (1 x daily) with reduced frequencies at weekends. |
Originally Posted by jijpc
(Post 10301556)
Yes they did have a base on the IOM with three Q400s. These aircraft operated to LGW, MAN, LPL, BHX and LTN/JER. When they sold their Gatwick slots to EasyJet the IOM base was scaled back and then closed in 2016. Isle of Man services have been operated by FlyBe liveried Stobart ATR72-500s for the last few years.
The Stobart ATR72-500s ACMI lease arrangement is being terminated and FlyBe are re-opening a base at Ronaldsway with 2 Q400s which will operate weekdays to MAN (5 x daily) LPL (4 x daily) and BHX (1 x daily) with reduced frequencies at weekends. The bhx services after March 2019 appear to be being operated by a bhx based aircraft |
The following is copied from an investor forum but should be also of interest here:
HSBC upgrade to buy today. Two-thirds drop in share price since profit warning on 17 October appears overdone; value of assets ignored. On a per-share basis, they value Flybe's slot portfolio at 43p and owned fleet at 79p with balance sheet debt of 26p. Let's all hope that the share price will now recover. |
Originally Posted by manx crab
(Post 10301700)
I think they actually had 4 based Q400’s for a while, one went not long after ezy started serving the iom and the third was to go when lgw finished leaving only enough work for two based aircraft, but the base closed at the same time as lgw finished and lpl,man,bhx were operated by man and bhx based aircraft nightstopping until Stobart took over The bhx services after March 2019 appear to be being operated by a bhx based aircraft |
It's not open yet.
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Tinwald,
I think there are a number of reasons from what I have read and heard. I understand that the Stobart ATR 72-500 aircraft have not been as reliable as hoped and that Stobart want to dispose of them and concentrate on the more modern ATR72-600. Either that or their leases are up. It is also rumoured that the ATRs are not as suitable as q400s in relation to passengers travelling on the IOM Government health service patient transfer service because the door area is narrower which makes boarding wheelchair passengers or those with limited mobility more time consuming. Also they can only board through one door on an ATR whereas the Dash 8s can be boarded/turned round quicker with boarding front and back. FlyBe were awarded a new 3 year contract by IOMG in March which is reported in todays local paper as involving 17,000 return trips per annum, the vast majority of which are by air to Liverpool with some to Manchester so I would think that FlyBe would want carry on with the contract. From my experience these Liverpool and Manchester flights are carrying good loads and with this contract it is presumably a profitable operation. |
Originally Posted by jijpc
(Post 10303584)
Tinwald,
I think there are a number of reasons from what I have read and heard. I understand that the Stobart ATR 72-500 aircraft have not been as reliable as hoped and that Stobart want to dispose of them and concentrate on the more modern ATR72-600. Either that or their leases are up. It is also rumoured that the ATRs are not as suitable as q400s in relation to passengers travelling on the IOM Government health service patient transfer service because the door area is narrower which makes boarding wheelchair passengers or those with limited mobility more time consuming. Also they can only board through one door on an ATR whereas the Dash 8s can be boarded/turned round quicker with boarding front and back. FlyBe were awarded a new 3 year contract by IOMG in March which is reported in todays local paper as involving 17,000 return trips per annum, the vast majority of which are by air to Liverpool with some to Manchester so I would think that FlyBe would want carry on with the contract. From my experience these Liverpool and Manchester flights are carrying good loads and with this contract it is presumably a profitable operation. Leases are up on ATR 72--500's OTP over 80%, less than 3% flights cancelled in 2019 due to ALL reasons (WX, tech & misc) Understand that loading PRM's can be an issue but OTP shows not a huge problem Personal view only I think cancellation of Stobart Contract has more to do with Flybe's financial postion |
Share price on the rise
over 12p now |
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Reasons cited include Brexit and weak pound. The entire airline is now worth only £25m. Who'd want to buy though? |
Most likely Stobart Group, but I guess possibly Air France KLM or even IAG could be an option.
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Can smell easyjet already in the background looking at Flybe’s slots at its key cities..... |
It says for sale or merger. Wonder if they have an airline in mind for a merger already?
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10310429)
It says for sale or merger. Wonder if they have an airline in mind for a merger already?
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