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Jersey32D 13th Oct 2020 20:42


Originally Posted by Airbus123 (Post 10903836)

Worth noting that all Flybe aircraft have now left the UK...

Jamie2009 14th Oct 2020 09:55

Still in administration which may be extended, no planes and no staff other than the retained ones in key positions DFO, HOCT etc..... Assets being sold off too.
The dispute with IAG over the Heathrow slots rumbling on and the EU have stated they should belong to Flybe and apparently the Connect lot don't automatically have first dibs if they do stay with the company.

The company is still going and spending a lot less cash than those flying empty planes around. Unlikely but a resurrection of some sort could happen.
I'd feel sorry for Stobart, Logan, Easy and Eastern though as they struggle on during the crisis and then Flybe starts with cheap planes and crews and competes hard against them.

Who Knows

Whispering Giant 14th Oct 2020 12:43

Heard various rumours recently from numerous sources, that Flybe is to make a comeback. Just have to see what happens....

Airbus123 14th Oct 2020 12:45

Jersey32D

My understanding is that ERJ195 G-FBEG, G-FBEH, G-FBEI, G-FBEJ and OY-GDD are still at NWI.

I was at NWI at the end of August and saw all of them. OY-GDD is still marked as G-FBEK.

Are you sure that they have now left the UK


JSCL 14th Oct 2020 12:57


Originally Posted by Airbus123 (Post 10904318)
Jersey32D

My understanding is that ERJ195 G-FBEG, G-FBEH, G-FBEI, G-FBEJ and OY-GDD are still at NWI.

I was at NWI at the end of August and saw all of them. OY-GDD is still marked as G-FBEK.

Are you sure that they have now left the UK

When passing through MAN 2 weeks ago there was still a Dash8 on the ground there parked at a stand too. Unless that's moved now?

Jamie2009 14th Oct 2020 13:13


Originally Posted by Whispering Giant (Post 10904317)
Heard various rumours recently from numerous sources, that Flybe is to make a comeback. Just have to see what happens....

Yeah there's been loads of rumours, can't see anything happening until there's light at the end of the covid tunnel so defo a waiting game.

Gurnard 14th Oct 2020 13:15


Originally Posted by JSCL (Post 10904330)
When passing through MAN 2 weeks ago there was still a Dash8 on the ground there parked at a stand too. Unless that's moved now?

G-KKEV departed on the 5th October.

gkmeech 14th Oct 2020 15:58

Flybe Dash 8
 
There are no ex-Flybe Dash 8’s left in the UK now.

JobsaGoodun 17th Oct 2020 12:29

https://news.sky.com/story/former-flybe-shareholder-cyrus-in-talks-about-reviving-collapsed-regional-airline-12106341

A development or just hot air?


SKOJB 17th Oct 2020 12:50

"A number of former Flybe executives are understood to be involved in the proposed relaunch" = no chance of happening then!:)

southside bobby 17th Oct 2020 18:30

How is it possible that Flybe`s administrators have retained the company`s operating licence & slots?

allan1987 17th Oct 2020 18:36


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10906389)
How is it possible that Flybe`s administrators have retained the company`s operating licence & slots?

https://www.caa.co.uk/Commercial-ind...ing-decisions/


Operating and Route Licences of Flybe Limited: CAA decision 1/2020 has been withdrawn.

The Operating and Route Licences of Flybe Limited: CAA decision 1/2020 has been withdrawn due to the amendment to EU Regulation 1008/2008 dated 28 May 2020 which retrospectively amends that Regulation.
https://assets.ey.com/content/dam/ey...ptember-20.pdf


As referenced in the Proposals, the Joint Administrators appealed the CAA Decision to the Secretary
of State for Transport, the Rt Hon Grant Shapps MP, on 30 April 2020. However, during the course of
that appeal process, the relevant EU legislation, namely EC Regulation No 1008/2008, was
amended by Regulation (EU) 2020/969, such that the relevant threshold test for assessing the
suspension or revocation of the Company’s OL was changed to account for the impact of the
COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic on the aviation industry. The Joint Administrators successfully
argued that the CAA’s decision to revoke the Company’s OL should therefore be withdrawn and a
fresh assessment made under the new test in the amended legislation.

As a result, on 9 July 2020, the CAA withdrew its decision to revoke the Company’s OL, subject to
certain undertakings from the Joint Administrators to, amongst others, not take bookings or sell
tickets for flights without the CAA having confirmed the undertakings’ release, and the Company has
therefore retained its OL. The Joint Administrators subsequently withdrew their appeal to the
Secretary of State.

Crucially, the Company’s retention of its OL has in turn so far enabled the Company to retain its right
to hold its slots at those airports in which it operated, with the exception of its slots at London
Heathrow which are subject to ongoing dispute with IAG.

southside bobby 17th Oct 2020 19:18

Almost as if that question was anticipated.

How is it possible that an "entity" can preserve own & manage such perishable commodities.

Who would be providing the necessary proof that the "entity" can provide & meet all required operating stipulations from the CAA at the present time.

Always considered to be issued an AOC an airline required a reporting & answerable Chief Pilot accepted by the CAA..Do the Administrators then have a Chief Pilot?

The slot retaining is quite plainly "bonkers".

Albert Hall 17th Oct 2020 19:26

I understand that the CAA position is that an Accountable Manager must be in place, but if there are no operations ongoing, there is no risk to be managed and therefore other postholders are desirable but not essential during a period of suspension.

The question as to why anyone thinks this is a good idea and will be anything other than throwing good money after bad is a wholly different one.

allan1987 17th Oct 2020 19:49


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10906410)
Almost as if that question was anticipated.

How is it possible that an "entity" can preserve own & manage such perishable commodities.

Who would be providing the necessary proof that the "entity" can provide & meet all required operating stipulations from the CAA at the present time.

Always considered to be issued an AOC an airline required a reporting & answerable Chief Pilot accepted by the CAA..Do the Administrators then have a Chief Pilot?

The slot retaining is quite plainly "bonkers".

Looks like could be something with CityJet and E190's? This to me that is more behind this than CityJet wanting to buy Stobart Air

Had good look on google and www.acl-uk.org website found this Flybe Slots for London City Airport W20-Initial-Coordination-Report


Flybe reclaimed their historics slots from the Winter 2019/2020 season, causing slight runway overages for the time being. As Flybe still hold their operating licence and with the outcome of the administration process being uncertain, the Flybe slots remain in the Winter 2020/2021 schedule.
also on the ACL W20-Initial-Coordination-Reports for DUB, MAN, LHR, BHX, LCY, airports there is slots allocated for flybe

BOHEuropean 17th Oct 2020 21:09


Originally Posted by Airbus123 (Post 10904318)
Jersey32D

My understanding is that ERJ195 G-FBEG, G-FBEH, G-FBEI, G-FBEJ and OY-GDD are still at NWI.

I was at NWI at the end of August and saw all of them. OY-GDD is still marked as G-FBEK.

Are you sure that they have now left the UK

They all left the fleet PRIOR to the airlines collapse and were registered back with the lessor (FALKO) before Flybe went under. His remark is probably aimed more at the fleet that was still current when the airline collapsed, IE the Q400s and E175s.

DC3 Dave 19th Oct 2020 09:00

FLYBE IS BACK.

Brand and remaining assets sold by administrator

allan1987 19th Oct 2020 09:09

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUKKBN2740YN

Flybe seen flying again in 2021 after administrators agree to sale



willy wombat 19th Oct 2020 09:18

Completely bonkers

Albert Hall 19th Oct 2020 09:43

I notice that there's no mention of one very important element in any of the announcement - slots. As the business is being sold but not the legal entity, the Operating Licence and AOC will need to be obtained from scratch, so logically the same would apply on slots - unless anyone has any insight to the contrary?


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