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cabsav 5th May 2020 12:56

I get the impression that some where thinking Flybe may be risen from the ashes. Now easyJet are doing MAN, GLA, BHX to BFS and MAN to ABZ. Who in their right mind would want to take on easyJet on these routes. The saying that if Flybe didn’t exist you would have to invent it is and was self promoting PR nonsense and gave the staff a false sense of security. As said so many times on this forum, great staff let down by talentless people in management positions.

JobsaGoodun 5th May 2020 13:08


Originally Posted by cabsav (Post 10773243)
Now easyJet are doing MAN, GLA, BHX to BFS and MAN to ABZ. Who in their right mind would want to take on easyJet on these routes.

Well Flybe competed (successfully?) for years against Easyjet on MAN, GLA and BHX to Belfast. Sure Easy have recently announced MAN-ABZ but only single daily so an operator could compete against Easyjet on frequency if they had low enough trip costs.

Sending a 180 seat 320 to ABZ once a day is not a cheap exercise and not everyone will be prepared or willing to sacrifice convenience of travelling when they want to (rather than when Easyjet want them too) for price. I'd say there would be room for both Easy and Loganair when you start to compare monthly lease costs of the equipment used.

cabsav 5th May 2020 13:37

jobsa..
 
Yes, sorry, should have clarified. I meant in the current aviation climate to risk taking on a major player.

davidjohnson6 5th May 2020 21:36

It'll likely be at least 12 months, most likely considerably longer, before air travel demand in the UK returns to what it was in 2019. In the meantime, the remaining core routes with the greatest chance of profit will all have been carved up by other airlines if they haven't been already. A resurrected Flybe would have a mountain to climb
Many of the companies interested in talking to EY about Flybe will be doing so to pick up individual bits of the remains - I don't see all 20 parties each being interested in buying the whole company

Yes, lovely little airline to fly on as a passenger, but as a company that lost large quantities of money for years and whose industry is in crisis, it's time to bid it a fond farewell

bean 6th May 2020 02:48

airsouthwest
I could'nt agree with more in what you said about Jim French and Saad Hammad

twinboom 6th May 2020 21:53

SH
 
Why will we “never know” why Saad left?? ( I assume he is still with us and not a victim of the current plague). Yes he will have signed a non-disclosure agreement - but with an entity that no longer exists! so he could speak out now if he was asked, or chooses to do so - although to what effect I know not.
His sudden departure sure puzzled me at the time but I retired a few months later (on schedule) so had other priorities.

cabsav 7th May 2020 12:43

Asset strip
 
It is sad for ex employees that this is now the most likely outcome.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...ence-29npbg5th
Its a subscribe if anyone has but the gist is there. I would guess that the vast majority of offers are in the realms of buying assets then selling them on for a profit. I think Eastern did that to airsouthwest. I cannot see the government overruling the CAA on the appeal and with the other carriers picking up routes, why would they?. And why would a buyer think 'i will spend millions to buy an airline that has been an abject failure, in an industry thats on its knees'.


jamestkirk 10th May 2020 08:50

if you look at Tripadvisor. As always, not down to the crews, but the people who implemented policies or in charge over the years but....

Out of 8146 passengers giving feedback, 44% said flybe was average, poor or terrible.

25% said terrible.

It is a snapshot but a general snapshot that gives the proof that customer service management at Exeter was something they were completely incompetent at.




Startledgrapefruit 11th May 2020 06:54

You could also say they needed a CEO with a media personality.
At the time Molly and Stellio were the life and soul of the party
Unfortunately Flybe had the two drinks and staring at the floor wondering what was going wrong leader
Then replaced by someone who baked a cake with a soggy bottom and covered it in icing.
Media played a big part in its downfall.

speedrestriction 11th May 2020 10:12


Originally Posted by Startledgrapefruit (Post 10778963)
Media played a big part in its downfall.

Inconsequential compared to the long-standing inability generate profit.



Startledgrapefruit 11th May 2020 11:08


Originally Posted by speedrestriction (Post 10779116)
Inconsequential compared to the long-standing inability generate profit.

True
But once SKY poos got the leak bookings dropped

davidjohnson6 11th May 2020 12:54

Flybe had been in trouble for about 10 years. In the very best years, they made a profit of 1% of turnover. In plenty of years, they made a loss of significantly more than 1% of turnover. BA by contrast in good years make a profit of 10% of turnover

There's only so much in losses that suppliers, lenders and investors will tolerate before goodwill eventually runs out

Nuweiba 13th May 2020 08:12


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 10780568)
Yeah but Flybe is a different business model to British Airways, Flybe is/was a regional airline, if you take a look across the world, most regional airlines have thin margins, low wages and high turnover of staff. On the whole the whole operating 3 different types of aircraft, one of which is more expensive to lease than a larger a320 really just shows why flybe's margins took a hit. The sad thing is that only 10 days before Flybe folded, they had finally got down to their aspired two type fleet of Dash 8-400s and E175s, maybe if things had been managed better, they had a bit more cash flow and a little longer then they might have weathered this storm.

I doubt very that they would have weathered this storm.

jamestkirk 13th May 2020 08:34

I agree. Most believe it was just a matter of when. Coronavirus or HMG was not the problem causing of the downfall of flybe.

EY were marketing the administration as a going concern. They already have taken the next step down from that and iMHO it will be soon when they announce a further step down to say that it is a liquidation exercise.

I can only assume the offers EY had for the company were chancers at unacceptably low or asset strippers trying to the advantage of the situation. Personally, i believe realistic offers would be for asset stripping but of course could be totally wrong.


NorthEasterner 15th May 2020 18:34


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 10783564)
Other issues seemed to by flying from the wrong airports, or airports closer to larger ones, for example Durham Tees when most people would fly from Newcastle Int.

Out of these two airports, Flybe mainly flew from NCL to SOU and EXT year round, they only flew to JER seasonally from MME. The rest of the MME operation was T3 / Eastern.


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