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Originally Posted by timmermc
(Post 10576967)
TC Belgium (Neckerman) is now in council, all bookings are temporarely closed.
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I expect AirTanker will be planning to have their leased A330s returned to Brize Norton as soon as possible. Not sure what will become of those aircraft in the immediate future; back to the tanker/transport role or perhaps another airline customer. I suppose it's possible they could form part of the repatriation programme, given that they are not TCX aircraft.
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Originally Posted by 116d
(Post 10576965)
I'd say at this time people's jobs and livelihoods are more of an immediate concern for the German government here than the climate strike brigade, as well as ensuring no holidaymakers are stranded (or at least they should be).
- AB was weeks before a general election and a much bigger media event (the Thomas Cook drama has gone largely unnoticed in Germany, unlike in the UK) - AB was before climate strikes etc. You will be aware of the fact that the German government just last week decided to introduce additional taxes on flight tickets to discourage people from flying across Europe for a tenner. - AB was much bigger fish in the pan - AB's collapse, just as the recent insolvency of Germania, has not resulted in market disruption, so politicians will see less need to do something as the market sorted itself out after AB and ST. |
Originally Posted by Ranger One
(Post 10576751)
This may be a cretinously stupid question, but it's occurred to me before when an operator has gone under.
Why could the government not effectively nationalise the company, temporarily, for a couple of weeks? Take the AOC & OL into government hands, pay the bills, commandeer the planes, and continue to operate the thing on a one-way basis, flying out empty, bringing customers home roughly on schedule? The planes are there, the crews are there and know the routes, would that not be more efficient and convenient than an ad hoc charter and repatriation operation? An orderly wind-down of flying operations, underwritten by government, rather than a hard ground stop with all these TCX aircraft sitting around doing nothing? I mean there must be a reason it isn't done, but as an aviating kind of guy rather than management or bean counter, I can't see it. Sympathy to all the TCX guys & gals. Service running at a substantial loss so once you step in to keep it running you are responsible for everything. Easier to shut down, contract in planes with specific plan to get people home. Govt run interference in anything tends to be a disaster, why involve them in something when it can be contracted in for the time period needed ? |
Originally Posted by jack11111
(Post 10576797)
With the internet everyone is their own travel agent. Create your own vacation online. Very easy. TOO easy.
I am not sure last time I used a travel agent to book flights and accommodation. Likely it has not been this century. |
Originally Posted by virginblue
(Post 10577004)
Big differences as far as the AB collapse is concerned:
- AB was weeks before a general election and a much bigger media event (the Thomas Cook drama has gone largely unnoticed in Germany, unlike in the UK) - AB was before climate strikes etc. You will be aware of the fact that the German government just last week decided to introduce additional taxes on flight tickets to discourage people from flying across Europe for a tenner. - AB was much bigger fish in the pan - AB's collapse, just as the recent insolvency of Germania, has not resulted in market disruption, so politicians will see less need to do something as the market sorted itself out after AB and ST. |
Originally Posted by Officer Kite
(Post 10576973)
I was interested in the 'confirmed fact' that thomas cook uk was going to survive, as stated by that poster just before midnight last night.
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Originally Posted by Mooncrest
(Post 10576991)
I expect AirTanker will be planning to have their leased A330s returned to Brize Norton as soon as possible. Not sure what will become of those aircraft in the immediate future; back to the tanker/transport role or perhaps another airline customer. I suppose it's possible they could form part of the repatriation programme, given that they are not TCX aircraft.
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Originally Posted by Mooncrest
(Post 10576991)
I expect AirTanker will be planning to have their leased A330s returned to Brize Norton as soon as possible. Not sure what will become of those aircraft in the immediate future; back to the tanker/transport role or perhaps another airline customer. I suppose it's possible they could form part of the repatriation programme, given that they are not TCX aircraft.
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So what Slots have TC at airports ?
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Originally Posted by Off Stand
(Post 10577023)
GL and GM are both contracted to Jet2 until the end of Oct, then only GL will return, so that's unlikely. And GK won't be back from Condor until the end of the summer either.
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Originally Posted by racedo
(Post 10577011)
Correct
I am not sure last time I used a travel agent to book flights and accommodation. Likely it has not been this century. I would not do this, who can assure me that my hotel in Cancun is still willing to take me. People are still blindfolded in everything. |
According to the Facebook page TUI will be holding a recruitment day at the Luton office for all affected with further details to come tomorrow. Thoughts are with everyone affected. |
Originally Posted by timmermc
(Post 10577038)
A couple who wanted to go to Mexico with TC and Condor this morning, departing from Brussels via Manchester, had to rebook with TUI. Extra costs 2x 400 euros.
I would not do this, who can assure me that my hotel in Cancun is still willing to take me. People are still blindfolded in everything. But look it another way, IF your holiday is insured then you will get your money back completely, you still want to go on holiday. Turn up in Cancun and hotel says "No booking as TC gone bust". Holiday can tell you go away or provide a price for you to stay there knowing full well that it is empty if you don't stay. If you were hotel what would you be doing ? |
Unfortunately, the majority of standard travel insurances DO NOT cover airline / tour operator collapses. Often, it would be an added extra premium specifically for that. Obviously yes, some will cover but it is by no means automatic.
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Originally Posted by Off Stand
(Post 10577023)
GL and GM are both contracted to Jet2 until the end of Oct, then only GL will return, so that's unlikely. And GK won't be back from Condor until the end of the summer either.
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Originally Posted by Mr A Tis
(Post 10577060)
Unfortunately, the majority of standard travel insurances DO NOT cover airline / tour operator collapses. Often, it would be an added extra premium specifically for that. Obviously yes, some will cover but it is by no means automatic.
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LY-VEB Operating on Titan flight number out of Manchester to Bourgas. |
Originally Posted by racedo
(Post 10577017)
Can you repost what was said ?
I asked: Perhaps a stupid question, but are thomas cook germany/condor to go bankrupt if thomas cook uk do or are they operated as 2 companies entirely separate from one another? Both will continue to operate, confirmed fact. |
Quick question. My folks are currently in HRG and due to fly back on Saturday. As I understand it the route needed a sharkleted A321 for TCX to operate it.
Can HRG take widebodies? I've tried googling to no avail and all scheduled ops are narrow body so I'm trying to plan in advance if they will need to book themselves. As I understand it a standard A321 couldn't do the journey in a dense config so a titan operated Avion frame wouldn't do the flight similarly any 738 used for repatriation also couldn't do the flight non stop. I'm aware titan have 757's that could do the journey but as I understand it they are tied up with other work currently. Sorry for the many questions, i'm just trying to provide them with as much comfort as possible and with the specks of knowledge I have regarding the HRG and the airlines/aircraft being used for repatriation I've got as far as this. Any help would be appreciated. |
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