The point is to significantly increase the capacity of T2, to be able to take some of the pressure off of the other terminals.

T2 was the only sensible option for expansion, with respect to not unduly affecting operations during the works. It's a phased build, with the new section of the terminal to be constructed before they renovate the existing.

I live 6 miles from MAN and there is no public transport available thus I use my car (or very occasionally a taxi) and have done for 20 years or so.

I could "construct" a no-car journey which would involve a 1.5 mile walk to the nearest station, train into Manchester City centre and another train back out to the Airport. Depending on the time of day that takes well over an hour and costs £14.90 day return.

Try that 5 times a week and watch your bank balance dwindle...........

I take it you work there. How much do you pay to park?

6 miles looks like a nice bike ride.

And of course you have had 20 years to consider whether to move house to somewhere with direct access by public transport.

Yes - at 5am with a suitcase and flight bag. :ugh: I suppose I could wear my hat backwards to stop it blowing off!

Yes - spent all of that time considering how much I like my house and the town I live in. Anyway the new road opens in 5 months time so driving in will be a doddle...........

That's a choice you are free to make. It only annoys me when people make that choice and then complain about the consequences - traffic jams, parking charges etc. I'm sure your nice new road will be wonderful for a few weeks until it gets jammed full. Remember rule #1 of road building. Traffic expands to fill the space available.

No it`s when you have a choice and they then take it away and leave the bad option, which for me is a 20 minute walk in the wrong direction to then get a bus that takes 3 times as long as the original
What is the point of moving when you have all costs of moving and you end up in an area you don`t really want to be (schools etc etc).

Even at Heathrow relatively few terminal passengers arrive or depart using the local service buses. No most of their clientel are workers or even transfer (bus to bus) And nothing to do with the airport. And whilst the local buses within the GLA are frequent and some even operate 24 hours a day those into neighbouring Surrey are dire
Many foreign tourists are collected by tour rep and coaches just as the Brits are in the med on traditional package breaks
National Express operate the transfer coaches between airports very profitably plus they carry extensive longer distance traffic either directly or via Victoria for cost conscientious regional passengers
However the prime public transport method used by terminal passengers are rail both LUL and for the rich or time pressed the Heathrow Express

Compare and contrast Manchester has TFM support early trams from guess who yeap staff
Regionally heavy rail has captured significant traffic flows and could do better

Whilst delegulation remains TFM can’t do any thing about the buses and as with Surrey, Cheshire too has dire transport support across the board

The lack of integration is entirely the responsibility of past Tory political dogma and a total lack of understanding of the benefits of such ideas preferring the market to dictate
Hense a bazilian million buses through Rusholme and nought past the post house or what ever it’s called these days
National Express do operate into the airport and via the Central Manchester coach park in a similar manner to Heathrow however they don’t seem to have the success in marketing the connections available
Inbound tourism especially packages remain a small part of the airport profile so not so many coaches apparent
All that said live anywhere south of the city taxies remain the most cost effective and probably most environmental method of getting a family and granny with suit cases safety to and from airport period

InOban,

I can just imagine aircrew cycling 6 miles to work, especially cabin crew, in the winter, when it's dark, cold and wet.

Drove along Ringway Road West a week or so back, and saw several aircrew walking along the road towards EGCC, with luggage on wheels. Something I had never seen in 30 years.

"Aircrew" (How quaint that sounds these days) Having to walk ....Get used to it this is the brave new world of airtravel ..BOACs never coming back;)

bodminsteve,

Most 'aircrew" are "motorists"......They need somewhere to park their cars.

'Multi-storey car-parks'.......They're the future.

And as for BOAC.....Of course it'll never come back......Just like vinyl....When it was replaced by CD in the 1980s. :E

Oh for Pete's sake. If I am getting on a first wave departure in winter, I would very much prefer a well rested and stress free pilot. Same goes for cabin crew.
It's not beyond the wit of man to sort this out.

If walking a few hundred yards is going to stress a crew member out to extent they cannot function effectively he/she's is in the wrong job i'd suggest

There is growing evidence of the long-term medical effects of working hours which don't match our natural body rhythms. Personally, I wonder whether all safety-critical staff who clock on before, say, 7, should be required to sleep on-site. Would cost a fortune.

It’s a 40 minute walk with a crew bag (and possibly a handbag). The crew member is then expected to be on their feet for upto 14 hours and still function 100% should something go wrong on the final landing of the day. Then walk back 40 minutes. Try that 5 days a week!

I suspect the crew you saw walking were Jet2 crew. They have a very “robust” disciplinary process for late crew members and most are on temporary contracts. You can understand why the crew choose to walk but it’s not something I want to do before a long duty.

A little bit of light exercise at the start of the day, to get blood circulating properly, is recommended by the experts.

If it were Jet2 crew then they shouldn't have been feeling they needed to walk, Jet2 crews have all been told explicitly that if the car parking and bus causes them to be delayed then they will not be investigated for being late.

If you walked that I reckon you'd be passed by 3 or 4 staff buses on the way.

Depends on the time of day and the current roadworks

Blinkin heck...
MAN slow news weekend+...Three days of buses & car parks!.
Riveting stuff.
Bring back LAX LHR with info trawled out of GDS....

Isn't there a park and ride at Sale Water Park? Wouldn't this be good for airport commuters?

Even with the temporary lights on Styal Road at the moment, it's not been anywhere near as bad as it was at a few points over the summer. I can't think of an occasion in the last six weeks where I'd have been quicker walking than getting the bus.

Slow news weekend maybe, bobby, but there is no point in having more routes, or increased seat capacity/frequency on those routes already in place, (both of which LAX informs us about frequently and with great enthusiasm), if there are major issues with the supporting ground infrastructure.

Right of course Zooker..

A few months ago, I was talking to a neighbour who works at EGCC, and parked in Staff West. He mentioned that the airport were looking at the possibility of a staff/pax car-park near the M60 at Urmston, with a shuttle-bus down to the airport?

I don't know what it is about this thread to be honest.

Post news of airline info (like the sub section suggests), and you get the piss taken out of you, called a 'MAN fan', that it isn't really newsworthy and so on (often by people who post no useful info themselves, but hey ho).

Talk about buses, and the forum is on fire, says it all really.

I've stayed out of the discussion about public transport thusfar. I've always found public transport options to/from MAN more than adequate to meet my own needs and it's one of the better aspects of using the airport. I stick by my previous comments that T3 and its appalling service levels are one of the key problems that MAN suffers from, but I certainly wouldn't rank public transport on that same list of key problems.

LAX,
given the wide remit of this section of PPRuNe, how about a new thread dealing purely with MAN/EGCC routes/services? Your enthusiasm for this topic, (along with several other frequent posters), seems to identify a 'specialised subject area'.
There are obviously many airport infrastructure issues, both at present, (and in the future, related to the 'Transformation Project'), which will continue to occupy any Manchester Airport forum for many years to come.
Just something to consider. I'm sure all interested parties would frequently consult both pages/discussions.

When did Air France stop nightstopping at MAN? Sems they utilise 2 BE E175s in the morning, deparing within 3 mins of each other

You don`t get the piss taken out of you. In the context of interesting news you get ten out of ten as opposed to buses and trains which rate one out of ten

Take no notice LAX..your input is appreciated and interesting as well as being accurate. It comes from sources not available to a lot of us on here, so thanks for what you do :D...

Zooker,

Why does MAN routes news require a seperate thread?

This is the airlines, airports and ROUTES sub forum (which I do post additions and subtractions), this is the Manchester thread, so therefore what I post is surely more than relevant and in the right sub section.

I appriciate many flight crew frequent this forum, but surely the general public, enthusiasts and such are likely to find routes news more intersting than page after page of conjecture if a pilot takes an extra 10 minutes to get to work (I'm not suggesting the issue is trivial, but, consider the wider audience).
Better still, and genuinely not a slight on you guys, but why not continue to make sure MAG/your airline are made aware directly of the issues with occurance reports and such and get the problem sorted?

GrahamK Air France stopped night stopping a good few years ago with Flybe operating the last inbound and first outbound.

Unbelievable! And there's me thinking a forum headed "Airlines, Airports & Routes" with a separate Manchester thread might be suitable for news of a new airline or new services at Manchester.

MANFOD,

"news of a new airline or new services at Manchester".

Sadly, at the moment, the site, MAN/EGCC, or whatever, seems incapable of supporting the services they already have.

A great shame indeed.

LAX,

'AIRLINES, AIRPORTS and ROUTES'.

With equal weight given to all 3 topics, which are totally separate.

Just trying to separate those who are more concerned about how many first class seats the XYZ 757 has, and how late it was, from those concerned about how EGCC actually works/or, sadly, doesn't.

Which then begs the question, if you feel all 3 have equal weight, why should it be routes news that is moved to its own subsection? Genuine question.

Routes news seems very infrequent at the moment, and certainly hasn't had as much coverage/post count lately as problems in various departments, so curious as to why there is a perception that said routes news is overbearing and warrants a move away from this thread.

Changing topic and getting back to route news, are there any updates regarding the proposed service from KU or even the long awaited CA to PVG?

LAX,

It doesn't really matter what is moved to where.

If we need a separate discussion set up about how this particular airport, (or any other), actually operates, then so be it.

It is just often tiresome, listening to those who would like new services, complaining that those who actually make the existing services at EGCC 'work', commenting that at present, all isn't.....How shall we say.....'Tickerty-boo'.

I say leave it as it is why should a particular section be forced out, my interest is airlines, airports and routes exactly as it says on the can. If you don`t like it go and read the DTV forum, now that is soul destroying because nothing happens there all