Seems to pretty much equate to a reduction of one aircraft for the winter?

Probably so compared to what was originally planned. However, I think CGN & FRA are new routes this winter, so it may not be a reduction from last year.

MANFOD
Agree disappointing, but at least no routes lost. With CAA applying pressure on RYR to "look after" its displaced passengers a little better, perhaps the fact that MAN has alternatives to all of those cities is a factor ? I'm sure the likes of Eurowings, SN, Vueling, IB Express, Jet2, Easyjet, TAP and others will gratefully pick up any slack over the winter months

FFMAN,

Apologies for the delay in replying. I think ATC and Public Relations are very different animals. It is also doubtful that an "underpaid office worker in MAG House" would be tasked with communicating with the press.

It seems to me that at the present time those in 'MAG House' have, (sadly), a degree of contempt toward their customers. their staff, and those living in earshot of the airport, which mirrors that shown by councils towards their rate-payers.

Not much to add in part 2 of my "in depth" report.

Arrived last night at 11.30pm at gate 209 to find Swissport ready to receive us. short walk to the Border where all pax were directed to the E-Gates. Only 5 units in operation so around 10 minutes to get through. Bags arrived within 5 mins of getting to the carousel so into a taxi and home exactly one hour after leaving the aircraft.

More to the point - I must congratulate the Monarch crew last night for a highly professional job well done. A smooth ontime flight delivered without fuss or drama - very friendly cabin crew who kept smiling all despite the imminent news they must be dreading........

Well done ZB and good luck :D

What’s the % increase per hour with the current two runway layout versus one?
MAN has a huge overnight based fleer which causes enormous peaks and troughs throughout the day.

so what are people's thoughts on the impact at MAN of Monarch collapsing?

I'm sure those employees about to lose their jobs couldn't give a **** at this time about any impact on Manchester.

I understand you maybe upset and concerned for the employees of Monarch but please understand this is a aviation forum people have the right to ask reasonable questions regarding anything aviation.
From your response to to this question I get the feeling you would rather not have any conversation regarding Monarch however I don't feel the question asked was in away misplaced if anything it's quite a reasonable question

Yes it's sad news regarding Monarch but there are millions of questions to be answered and people should be free to ask them.

I'm sure they do give a **** unless they aren't interested in future employment in the area

I feel the question was insensitive at this time.

In no way was it an insensitive question this is an aviation forum not a funeral parlour where we might upset someone if we are heard whispering about the dead we all feel for our friend at Monarch but I'm sure at some point we have all been there and if not we all live with the possibility of the same thing happening to us we are all adults and are free to ask questions that are on our minds
Again it's a sad loss and I'm sure we all feel for everyone at Monarch but we must carry on.

I have to agree with daz on this as the guys and gals will all be looking for employment and
will want to know what the other operators are planning, I am sure that the other airlines will be working very hard to try and maximise their own business out of the loss of someone else misfortune but that is business and life.
I do feel for anybody loosing their job as it is stressfull and not nice

And I will come out in defence of Ribble, if only because it's too soon. They have literally woken up to the news that their income has gone, their last few weeks wages probably won't get paid and they'll be entitled to very little statutory redundancy pay from the Government.

......and Christmas with it's extra family expense is less than three months away.

British Airways parent targets Monarch assets as airline ceases operations



For Vueling? Presume Easyjet would have interest too.

I assume any IAG interest would be cherry picking rather than as a TOGC.

Slots at LGW for BA? Slots at MAN for Vueling?

A320/321 for any one of a number of IAG brands.

Pilots and crew to operate them (certainly if LGW based).

Well, we know it's no longer as a going concern!

I imagine a lot of people will be interested in different bits of it.

I'm still secretly surprised easyJet didn't want it. Luton, Gatwick, Airbus, ... it seemed like a good fit.

Maybe they just want the bits that make money - hence the cherry picking!!

Thomas Cook and Air Transat have signed a winter/summer exchange program that will see TCX A321s serve Canadian winter holiday destinations. Air Transat will transfer 1 A330 to TXC for Summer.

Not a new concept but good use of resources and frees up parking spaces.

(bit of a nightmare for the spotters keeping track of winter only C- regs) :}

Given the impact of The Monarch debacle I make no excuses for sub copying this analysis here.

PPrune deserves this kind of forensic analysis.

In the aftermath of the tragic collapse of Monarch Airlines, Manchester Airport and the airlines serving it face a number of crucial decisions going forward. Minds will have been exercised in airline and airport boardrooms across the country (and beyond) as strategic plans are put into action in response to this crisis.

Of course, the business world is ruthless and unforgiving. Crisis for one company spells major opportunity for others. Court Line, Intasun / Air Europe, Globespan, XL Group, BMI Baby ... the demise of all these brands spelt heartbreak for their employees but a chance for surviving companies to grow and prosper in the vacuum left behind. Now it is Monarch's turn to exit the stage and make way for the next generation of success.

So, what does all this mean from a Manchester Airport perspective? Monarch's based fleet consisted of 7 x A321 and 2 x A320. All nine aircraft flew intensively, and generally with high load factors. So at face value, Manchester ideally needs to replace nine based units and around 1.5 million passengers per year. How realistic is this? On the plus side, Monarch had very few unduplicated MAN routes. Zagreb and Verona spring to mind ... both my recent Zagreb flights were packed, so maybe an opportunity for someone like EasyJet there? And Verona ... Lake Garda will never go out of fashion.

Well, first we have to acknowledge some really tough home truths. There is a very good reason why Monarch Airlines failed. Angry people will call out management failings and Greybull Capital, but the reality is that Monarch had become a business which couldn't limp on without regular infusions of fresh cash to burn. It's been rinse and repeat for years now. Monarch had become a "me too" player in the UK short-haul leisure market, a battleground littered with overcapacity and uneconomic yields. Many of Monarch's competitors enjoyed advantages which they didn't share: lower operating costs, more diverse networks, less exposure to the Med. Monarch had little room to manoeuvre into new markets and no pricing power to charge economic fares on it's core routes. Every option open to them meant bleeding more red ink. This sad ending had become inevitable. If anything, the biggest surprise is that Greybull put up more money at ATOL-renewal time twelve months ago. The truth is we had a bonus year out of Monarch Airlines. And Greybull - to their credit - threw alot of money into providing that lifeline. They tried to put a viable deal together during that reprieve year. But it just proved too big an ask.

Meanwhile, both Norwegian International and Vueling Airlines muscled into these same crowded markets from MAN. And around a year later promptly withdrew again. That is very telling about the state of the market. These two couldn't make Manchester to the Med resorts work either. The margins aren't there. Vueling has now retrenched to its daily service between MAN and its hub at BCN. Norwegian is back on the Scandinavian routes. Monarch tell us that in 2017 they flew 14% more passengers but took £100m less in fares. Losses were estimated at £60m for 2017, with projections showing that the loss would rise to £100m in 2018. The show couldn't go on.

In the light of the above, one thing is very clear. The market from Manchester to the Med resorts is likely to support significantly fewer seats going forward. Yes, we can point to high load factors, but it is yield which really matters. The question now is where is the equilibrium between two key numbers: total 2017 Manchester short-haul leisure capacity, and that number minus the programmes of Monarch, Norwegian and Vueling. I don't expect to see all of that shortfall made good, but hopefully some of it can be.

Who are the key players left behind in this market segment? I would say principally Jet2.com, EasyJet, Ryanair, Thomas Cook, TUI UK (Thomson). And there is a case for including IAG as well. But how much will each contribute to filling the void ... it is in nobody's interests to swamp the market again. Higher fares will be the goal.

Unfortunately, the answer isn't a simple one. There are complicating factors beyond the obvious which will restrict the response of some of these carriers. Yes, attractive slots and overnight aircraft parking positions have just come free at MAN. So run in there and make your land-grab, right? But it isn't so straightforward. Similar slots have just come free at LGW (big draw!), LTN and BHX. But for companies like EasyJet, Ryanair and IAG these are not the only selection boxes which have suddenly been flung open. They must also consider Dusseldorf and Berlin Tegel (Air Berlin legacy), Roma Fiumicino and Milano Linate (Alitalia). Bagging those slots is really attractive too. With GBP/EUR exchange rates, those continental slots could be seen as a better short-term bet by some. And unfortunately, carriers can't just magic up more aeroplanes to fill these slots. They have a finite pool and must disperse their fleets wisely.

But perhaps it is Manchester Airport itself which throws up the biggest roadblock of all. Monarch Airlines operated out of Terminal 2. And that is where the new vacancies have arisen. Now that is a major headache for most. The exception is TUI Airlines UK (Thomson). Should they opt to add a frame or two at MAN they're well placed to do so. It should be no problem for them as a T2 incumbent. But TUI is a notoriously cautious company anyway ... we'd probably see only very modest expansion from them, and they (TUI) are also amongst the best placed to soak up former Air Berlin opportunities in their native Germany. Our other likely players are Ryanair in T3, and EasyJet, Jet2.com and Thomas Cook over in T1. And therein lies a huge problem.

Ryanair loves it's T3 home at MAN. Even though they're bulked out at nine based aircraft. They can't just add frames at T3, and it seems inconceivable that they'd go for a split-terminal operation. They could very easily be physically unable to grow at MAN. And in that case the news could get worse for MAN: their route to expanding on core leisure routes such as AGP, PMI, ALC, FAO etc. could be to swap out more niche routes to other airports such as LPL, LBA and EMA. MAG's enduring failure to address the Ryanair T3 squeeze really risks coming back to bite here.

Over at T1 the picture isn't much better. EasyJet, Jet2 and Thomas Cook go a long way to bulking out that terminal as well. They can't just add unlimited frames even if they wanted to. In an ideal world, MAG would persuade one of these 'Big 3' to switch across to T2. But who will be up for that? Especially during the earliest phases of TP disruption. Would any of them consider a short-term split-terminal operation until 'TP Pier 1' is completed? Thomas Cook appears out of the question ... they need T1's widebody stands. An EasyJet switch would be physically doable, but I'm not sure that the airline would perceive any advantage to them in this. Pier B stands suit their needs well. Jet2 enjoys almost bespoke facilities in T1 with their own check-in and security hall. But their extensive use of remote parking makes them the best possibility of accepting some kind of short-term flexible arrangement using bussing etc. And my guess is that Jet 2, probably the most directly advantaged by Monarch's sad plight, would be the company most likely to expand capacity. They also don't have the distraction of managing bases in Germany and Italy etc.

So, as we see, issues such as distribution of carriers by terminal will also have a major role to play in the recovery at MAN. Other wildcards could include the response from IAG. They have been looking to expand the niche CityFlyer E190 programme. And we shouldn't absolutely rule out the possibility of the Vueling brand trying again, although they may not be keen after a difficult 2017 season in the Manchester short-haul leisure bunfight eg Forums4 Airports. However, the one glimmer of hope here is that an entrant such as Vueling (or even Norwegian) could be told you get the slots and the overnight parking positions if you're prepared to switch to T2.

There will be lots more to wrap our heads around as all this unfolds. But consider some other silver linings (from the point of view of the competition). Thomas Cook and Virgin have just sidestepped the planned advent of a new no-frills North Atlantic challenger in Monarch Mk2. They must be privately jubilant. But the loudest cheers must surely be coming from Primera Air who have seemingly dodged a bullet (or a cannonball?) at BHX. Forums4Airports.

Meanwhile, the one bit of good news which we do have is that Monarch Airlines Engineering Limited (MAEL) survives. A high quality operation accounting for many skilled jobs. They shouldn't be a difficult asset to sell. Good luck to all involved with them going forward.

Observations and discussions welcome.

Navpi.....Flawed analysis regarding management & Greybull Capital...
As to other analysis put forward & attempting not to appear callous,with the demise all the cards are up in the air now with regard not only use of terminals at MAN as you argue but also a bigger picture with possible "churn" around a number of airports.
Business tho has a great habit of eventual self remedy & settling down to a or the new staus quo..All will be only hypothesis for now..
The main asset in the mix at the present time which airline groups are interested are the flight deck crews..

Will they get Easyjet into T2?

Flawed analysis regarding management & Greybull Capital.

Can you elaborate ?

Bagso posts something written by Shed-On-A-Pole!

Did Air Arabia start this week as scheduled. It was lost in the snowstorm that was Monarch I understand they were looking at STN as well so possibly a tie up with MAG?

Yes it did start Navpi

Navpi....without the debate,witness credible news reporting out there concerning the CEO & Greybull Capital before & since the collapse & what logically was evident before that event.
BTW to be honest the analysis is summed up anyways by the answer on link 151 perhaps..

Was just curious. Very sad all the same!

Will this also mean the forward fuselage of G-DMCA will now be heading it's way out? Or is this owned by the Aviation Viewing Park?

I think that's owned my MAN anyway. Might be repainted at worst? It is painted in a scheme it never wore anyway.

Jet2 news from Friday:

Not sure if they are preempting a slots auction as momentum gathers on selling off this asset:

And with Easyjet saying they want to go after the Monarch slots at Manchester specifically to become the largest airline at MAN, makes you wonder what they have planned.....

With Jet2's 300k seat expansion and 2 extra aircraft as well for S18, i'm sure they'll be after those slots as well.

Interesting conundrum with respect to the future of the slots.

IATA Worldwide Slot Guidelines:

8.16
SLOTS OF AN AIRLINE THAT LOSES ITS OPERATING LICENSE
8.16.1 Slots can only be held by an airline with a valid operating license. If an airline ceases to hold a valid operating license, its slots revert to the slot pool.
8.16.2 In the case of bankruptcy (or similar proceedings), the representatives of the airline should enter into dialogue with the coordinators to discuss their future intentions for the slots and provide the contact details of the administrator.
8.16.3 The slots may be reserved by the coordinator pending reinstatement of the airline’s operating license or a formal takeover of the airline’s activities. The airline, its legal representatives, or the responsible licensing authority should keep the coordinator informed of the airline’s status.
8.16.4 If dialogue has not been initiated within a reasonable deadline set by the coordinator, and if there is no legal protection linked to bankruptcy under national law, then the coordinator should reallocate the slots.

In terms of MAN, I don't think we are talking about bidding for the slots in a financial sense, but bidding for them in a 'they are now vacant and I want them' sense.

https://www.ft.com/content/18c96d94-...5-648314d2c72c

This may drag on if it gets legal and may well effect any airports attempt to make up the difference in pax numbers.

While that queue looks bad, still have to question the agenda and authenticity here.

Unless the queue was at a complete standstill for a very large period of time, T3 pysically doesn't have the space/corridor length to queue for 4 hours. The queue would literally be on the runway if that was the case, as the corridor is only about 350m long at most.

Also, despite the claims of 'passengers said they had been queuing for 4 hours', the article only featured one testimonial where the person claimed to be waiting for 90 minutes.

Now, before people jump down my neck calling me a 'MAN apologist', 90 minutes is crap and that definately needs to be addressed. Given 7 Ryanair aircraft must arrive at a similar time most of the days, something has clearly gone wrong for it to not be able to process the volume as quickly. However, 4 hours queuing, I think someone has exaggerated the truth a little there.

Onto other news,

Looks like Jet2 will have 18 aircraft in operation at MAN next summer, with one standby making 19.

42 routes with 482 weekly flights.

Palma has 5 flights on a Saturday now, with A330 usage, so, that's some serious capacity there now. Couldn't tell if a 2nd A330 has been loaded yet as the process to check seat plans is a bit labourious.

There are gaps in the schedule too which could easily accommodate a new route or 2. Bergerac and Verona are new for S18. Toulouse is dropped.

Nooo not Toulouse, FlyBe will scalp the life out of us now ;)