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I lose track, but this affects Manchester's stopovers (?)

I'm under the impression that it will only affect two outbound JFK flights from Manchester as the inbound flights from JFK to Islamabad went non stop.

Islamabad to Manchester is currently 6 days a week an increase from the previous 5 flights a week.

Islamabad also going back to daily soon too. It had been daily earlier this year but seemed to have dropped to 5 weekly somewhere over the course of the year.

By all accounts, PIA schedulers are 'losing track' and the schedule keeps appearing beyond 14 Oct, now and again.....

http://mag-umbraco-media-live.s3.ama...mber-2017.xlsx

2.876 million for Sept. Up 7.4%

27.7 million for the year now.

Octobers stats will be interesting to say the least.

Considering growth has been around 6% or above all year I think October should still manage an increase overall but probally less than 2%.

Annually ZB carry bones of million pax or am I under estimating it?

Monarch had a declared seat capacity of just over 750,000 seats this winter according to ACL.

Now, we know not all of those seats will have been filled, but if we work on an average load factor of 85% (a realistic figure), then that's a loss of 637,500 passengers. Monarch had less of a seasonal variation than some other carriers at MAN, so x2 that's a loss of 1.2million pax.

Jet2 have added 300,000 seats next summer, TUI about 100,000 and Thomas Cook will probably be around 100,000 pax themselves. Easyjet will have at least one extra aircraft next summer, possibly 3 so we can say that's between 100,000-250,000 of extra pax.

Then add in all the other increases such as Cathay going daily, Oman Air still adding into the pax figure until May, Virgin adding 40,000 seats, Air Arabia Maroc, Powedair and such, that's potentially another 100,000. So, we are looking at 800,000 seats.

However, we also have the Loss of Norwegian sun routes, vueling ALC/TFS/FCO and no doubt other little losses over time, then that's probably about 100,000 lost.

Therefore, I fear MAN may start entering the negative territory, unless something is pulled out of the bag, to which I'm hearing rumours there may be something in the offing, but, no concrete rumours.

Any ideas on the new Ezy routes?

I've been told some but as there is no concrete proof just yet, I'll leave it for a while.

LAX LHR

'Oman still adding into the pax figure until May'

Are Oman leaving Manchester in May then?

No still going. But what I mean is Muscat will always be a gain in pax until May, as that's when they started last year. After May, there may be increases but not in larger numbers.

I got you now thanks for clarifying that.

Car on fire outside of T3

Looks like it's actually at the bottom of the ramp to T1 drop off.

You also need to factor in the planned Ryanair reductions for the winter too.

MON customers will not just stay at home because MON has gone !

Jet2, TUI, TCX, EZY, RYR etc will just mop most of them up.

I'd expect MAN to at least hold its own despite the sad loss of MON.

Fascinating....sounds a re adoption of MON`s very own type of business logic..

So MON's customers will just stay at home ? Maybe sample Skegness for a week instead ;)

With respect - it's not that simple
Mrs FFMAN and myself along with 4 friends were booked on a MON flight in November. After the sad demise of MON, we looked at alternatives. The best was Easyjet at £526 pp against the £180 pp from MON. We have all decided to put it down to experience and not bother this time.
It's not so much the money - it's the principle.

So no doubt some will fly other airlines but many won't. MON was offering very good deals (we now know why) that were incentives to travel where perhaps people might not have bothered previously.
Plenty won't bother now

MON were forecasting even bigger losses next year, which suggests to me that forward bookings were poor. I think that there would have been considerable surplus capacity next year, and there will be no need to replace all the lost rotations, except of course for routes not served by another airline.

Originally Posted by eggc
 

100% agree with FFMAN if you're due to be flying over the coming days/next few weeks with Monarch then there's a lot of people who aren't going to travel simple fact as FFMAN has already shown Easyjet/Ryanair and all the other major airlines UK and non UK have put there prices up sky high all jumped in and said hey easy money to make here supply is down demand is up we have all these people needing to get home now lets charge them arm and leg they will pay it or either customer will be stranded abroad or they don't travel, and remember think it's only 5% of Monarch business was package holidays rest were mainly flight only, now what other airlines are mainly based on flight only booking (ie not package holidays) yes that's right Easyjet/Ryanair and co and remember most people who booked with Monarch on flight only are not ATOL protected and many will not get there money back
Now next summer and beyond yes people who travelled with Monarch are obviously going to book with a different tour operator/airline and yes tui/Thomas cook/ easjet/Norwegian/ryan air etc are all going to benefit you have one less competitor

Looks like there are no more MON repatriation flights from MAN, all seem to be either going via another airport or they are putting passengers on other airlines.

DUAL RUNWAY OPERATIONS

I was just looking through the ACL Summer 2018 Capacity Declaration for Manchester and see, interestingly, that they do now show dual runways operations as follows:

Mon-Fri
0500z-1959z

Sat
0500z-1459z

Sun
0500z-0830z
1200z-1958z

AA
 

Heard a rumour today that AA will bring back the Charlotte service next year.
Anyone else?

As long as they bring back all the Bronte sisters, Anne and Emily, too. Sounds like fiction to me

CLT is not coming back.

After the 25th Sept "we'll take 1 diversion and no more" stunt, today Manchester has dealt with 8 diversions, including Shannon's KU 777. Guess 9 sadly missing MON airbuses have made some space available.

Busy day all round - three inbound emergencies (two returning after departure) within about 90 minutes this afternoon.

I had the real displeasure of arriving back with KLM into T3 at the weekend after a re-routing (shudder).
It got me thinking. T3 is over-crowded, T2 is not so after the sad loss of Monarch, would now be the time to transfer Air France and KLM from T3 to T2? They would also be in the same terminal as Virgin in whom they have recently invested.
This would free up some useful space at T3.

From my own perspective, it would also mean that both AF and KLM would come off my personal 'Avoid List' as the T3 experience is so bad that I try to not book flights going through it (although domestic is generally not too bad in fairness).

I think you’d notice very little difference with the movement of AF/KL in the grand scheme of things.

Flown through T3 many times, including very recently, and never really thought it was that bad. By the same token I would never say it is that great either but I wouldn’t really let it sway my airline choice.

If AF/KL were to move out, it would just be more Ryanair moving in and with higher LF and seat capacity, would probably make the terminal even busier.

I used to fly out of T3 every week until about 4 years ago, it was pleasant, not stellar, but busy while not being slammed. I hadn't returned until this past year and all of my trips have seen the departures lounge a complete mess as it is overflowing in the central hub. Not even standing room around Costa/Boots/WH Smith, or upstairs by the restaurants. You have to go down the international departures wings to find a place to breath let alone sit. Some of this is because of the increased traffic, and some because of the change in traveller type, from business travellers who didn't dwell in the terminal, to leisure which spend a couple hours there. At the same time the number of international passengers arriving has increased, which puts strain on the immigration processing component, domestic arrivals are about the same as they were 4 years ago. If AF & KL moved back to T2 it would surely show for their passengers on arrival, but would lead to significant increase in ground taxi times for the aircraft. Also, there is an issue with premium lounge capacity in T2, at certain times it is oversubscribed, or was prior to the Monarch collapse. Given the T3 seems slightly better provisioned relative to the demand, this might decrease premium traveler experience.

MNG Cargo to relocate to MAN operating a 3x weekly service on a mix of A300 & A330. From Sunday 5th November. Service operates days 2/5/7.

Due to runway resurfacing at Luton in November. Believed to be moving back once work is complete.

For all those slating T3, just remember what it was built for.

Depends on how long you go back. My first ever flight was into MAN on a BA ATP onto what was the new domestic pier, a haven of calm and professionalism. It's still physically visible as part of T3 but as of last week, the KFC nails what T3 is now. People stuffing their faces with junk on the run or sitting on the floor recharging phones. It's just a very unpleasant environment to be in, only beaten by MAG's destruction of the orignal concept of the once beautiful terminal at STN. BAA used to be known as malls with runways attached, at which point MAG smirked and said "Hold my beer." Please God let the T2 rebuild be something decent...

There are only 2 saving graces of T3.

One is the lounges, which are usually well recommended by those who use them.

The second is the duty free store, in the fact, you don't have to walk through it to get to the gates.
It apparently still makes decent money for its size, and thus shows you don't have to heard every passenger through it to make good yields.

So that makes it ok then? :confused:

You really have to experience this terminal to understand how utterly desperate it has become. It is a terminal now characterized by lager and other alcoholic beverages with all the shouting and bravado that goes with it in such a confined space. You now have to go into the central 'pub' area to see departure boards now which are so small that you have to go close up to them, risking knocking some moron's beer over.

When I asked a member of staff why the screens in more public areas had been taken down, the answer was 'they had to be taken down because they were causing congestion with people looking at them'......I mean you could hardly make it up could you?

Add to that the Airport management's self-created permanent traffic jam caused by the blocking off of as many drop off points as possible, meaning people have to go round and round until a space becomes available. It's not rocket science to realize that people going to the airport by car or taxi have to, at some point, get out of the vehicle. Most people need a few seconds to do this and unblocking the areas around the multi-storey would allow that to happen and stop the constant congestion.
Hence where ever possible I choose an airline that doesn't fly from this awful place.

They have just created more drop off spaces outside T3 by moving the bus stops.

i avoid Manchester as much as possible and use East Midlands,a far superior experience in every area.

With about 30 flights a day, I wouldn't expect anything less at East Mids to be honest......