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commit aviation 13th Nov 2020 20:34

Long day - misunderstood Vickers post. :ugh:

SCFC1EP 14th Nov 2020 18:12

very limited 1 flight to Gran Canaria, 1 flight to Lanzarote 26/12/20 27/12/20 and return flight following week
plus additional Madrid flight

spannersatcx 16th Nov 2020 10:03

I see the pick up and drop off charges have gone up!

Mr A Tis 16th Nov 2020 12:15

Sounds a bit daft re the increased drop off charge, £5 for 5 minutes.
Given the so few passengers, they are not going to gain much other than bad PR.
Surely, it would be cheaper to close the JP1 free drop off & the cost of all the shuttle buses running near empty & allow free drop off at T1- at least for now.

Navpi 16th Nov 2020 13:24


Originally Posted by Mr A Tis (Post 10927844)
Sounds a bit daft re the increased drop off charge, £5 for 5 minutes.
Given the so few passengers, they are not going to gain much other than bad PR.
Surely, it would be cheaper to close the JP1 free drop off & the cost of all the shuttle buses running near empty & allow free drop off at T1- at least for now.

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If your jaw has dropped on this, wait till you hear about the incoming storm re the RAM Cargo 767 which ended up going to Liverpool. Apparently the approach to Manchester was lost due to red tape ?

Red Tape ? What red tape would that be , telling a customer who has a desperate demand to use an airport on his doorstep he really should be using one in the Midlands.

Is this switch selling at work again ?

Why is Manchester turning its nose up at revenue whilst firing staff at the sametime.

ill bet EMA and Doncaster cannot believe their luck in having such a benevolent airport happy to point business destined for Manchester towards their respective runways and in this specific case, now Liverpool. They welcomed the flight with open arms and have now probably guaranteed this customer uses them again on repeat business.

Turning business away whilst laying off staff suggests the MAG CARGO MANAGER needs a degree of retraining.

Time for our new CEO and Charlie Cornish to bang heads together.

It was unacceptable turning away PPE flights earlier in the year and remains so with general cargo.










Skipness One Foxtrot 16th Nov 2020 14:48


Time for our new CEO and Charlie Cornish to bang heads together.
This is a really good post with some well argued points, well said bagso ! You can surely amend the "East Anglia" handle now?


Would be interesting to see in BA /IAG revenue systems what searches would be put through to those flights? (vs eg via LHR with BA or AA or via DUB)
Agreed, be curious to see how this pans out. Good that Aer Lingus have moved fast on this.

zfw 16th Nov 2020 15:44

Latest ACL just come through. S21

Aer Lingus 4x based A/C 3X A321LR AND 1X A330 Destinations TBA.

Air Baltic 4 x weekly RIX

Air Canada 31st May to 17 Oct A330

American short season 4th Jun to 8th Sep B787 8

Easyjet from 19 to 21 based A/C.

Hainan Canx for S21

Jet 2 25 x based A/C Jer new route.

Oman Air Canx S21.

Ryanair from 12 x based to 17 x

Saudi from 5x to 7x a week

TUI 18 x based

Virgin 5 x based A/C all A330 No LAS or LAX.

Westjet YHZ Canx S 21.

Z





The96er 16th Nov 2020 15:50


Originally Posted by Navpi (Post 10927897)
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If your jaw has dropped on this, wait till you hear about the incoming storm re the RAM Cargo 767 which ended up going to Liverpool. Apparently the approach to Manchester was lost due to red tape ?

Red Tape ? What red tape would that be , telling a customer who has a desperate demand to use an airport on his doorstep he really should be using one in the Midlands.

Is this switch selling at work again ?

Why is Manchester turning its nose up at revenue whilst firing staff at the sametime.

ill bet EMA and Doncaster cannot believe their luck in having such a benevolent airport happy to point business destined for Manchester towards their respective runways and in this specific case, now Liverpool. They welcomed the flight with open arms and have now probably guaranteed this customer uses them again on repeat business.

Turning business away whilst laying off staff suggests the MAG CARGO MANAGER needs a degree of retraining.

Time for our new CEO and Charlie Cornish to bang heads together.

It was unacceptable turning away PPE flights earlier in the year and remains so with general cargo.

This would have been a Handling agent decision and not a MAG decision. MAG cannot force Handling agents to handle an aircraft. This has been pointed out to you many times now that MAG do not do aircraft handling.

Suzeman 16th Nov 2020 19:00


Originally Posted by zfw (Post 10927981)
Latest ACL just come through. S21
Z

Interesting Tweet here from SPD travels this afternoon


Good job they won't be cargo flights....:E

allan1987 16th Nov 2020 20:30

Slots been made Public

Slots are on Microsoft Power BI

Biggest Change is
Aer Lingus 4 based Aircraft 1 A330 and 3 a321LR

Also that Flybe have 632 slots

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrI...=ReportSection


Navpi 16th Nov 2020 21:47

The handlers didn't refuse it, they were more than happy to to handle, why wouldn't they, with jobs on the line.

I'd call in a Watergate journalist to establish the truth if i were you.....


The96er 16th Nov 2020 22:05


Originally Posted by Navpi (Post 10928226)
The handlers didn't refuse it, they were more than happy to to handle, why wouldn't they, with jobs on the line.

I'd call in a Watergate journalist to establish the truth if i were you.....

Navpi, I’ve no idea why you keep banging the ‘cargo’ drum at MAN, but it’s been explained multiple times the reasons why. You clearly have no idea on the internal workings and decision processes at MAN and how the handling system works.

VickersVicount 16th Nov 2020 22:22

Wizz- flood market with cheap bucket and spaders or classical eastern european? There can only be so much before saturation on some of these likely routes. What about a curveball Domestic route to LGW or a dip into Transatlantic?
They may of course not even take the slots up, but all these new deliveries need to go somewhere. Would have thought they would have grown and max’d LGW before branching out.

mariofly12 16th Nov 2020 22:33


Originally Posted by VickersVicount (Post 10928239)
Wizz- flood market with cheap bucket and spaders or classical eastern european? There can only be so much before saturation on some of these likely routes. What about a curveball Domestic route to LGW or a dip into Transatlantic?
They may of course not even take the slots up, but all these new deliveries need to go somewhere. Would have thought they would have grown and max’d LGW before branching out.

Well they are trying to get more slots at LGW and grow there...As they said before they...dream of a 20-odd fleet there...

davidjohnson6 16th Nov 2020 23:56

What are the plans with reopening terminals beyond T1 after the 2nd of December, assuming the formal lockdown is ended ?

GrahamK 17th Nov 2020 08:32


Originally Posted by Navpi (Post 10928226)
The handlers didn't refuse it, they were more than happy to to handle, why wouldn't they, with jobs on the line.

I'd call in a Watergate journalist to establish the truth if i were you.....

That the flight was always going to Liverpool? Dropping off car parts ?

barry lloyd 17th Nov 2020 09:06


Originally Posted by GrahamK (Post 10928480)
That the flight was always going to Liverpool? Dropping off car parts ?

...to a factory which almost overlooks the airport. Now does that make sense?

SWBKCB 17th Nov 2020 09:26


Originally Posted by barry lloyd (Post 10928507)
...to a factory which almost overlooks the airport. Now does that make sense?

Sounds like "a customer who has a desperate demand to use an airport on his doorstep"

zfw 17th Nov 2020 09:43


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10928283)
What are the plans with reopening terminals beyond T1 after the 2nd of December, assuming the formal lockdown is ended ?

Depends on traffic, at the moment no plans to open T3 if it remains at these levels.

BACsuperVC10 17th Nov 2020 12:04


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10928525)
Sounds like "a customer who has a desperate demand to use an airport on his doorstep"

It makes sense that it flew to Liverpool with the Automotive factories on the doorstep.


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