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southside bobby 9th Nov 2020 19:33

There has been an understanding around the talks that the US would not refuse EIN permission to fly into the country from the UK.

Since then the confirmation of President Elect Biden together with his Irish heritage will hardly be a drawback in proceedings.

Then onto today & a possible NAX collapse may somersault LGW in pole position as UK originator perhaps.

The96er 9th Nov 2020 19:41


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10922767)
Then onto today & a possible NAX collapse may somersault LGW in pole position as UK originator perhaps.

If IAG's motivation is a tilt at VS using EI as a vehicle as some have suggested, then I would guess MAN is still the prefered option.

SWBKCB 9th Nov 2020 19:44


There has been an understanding around the talks that the US would not refuse EIN permission to fly into the country from the UK.
UK and other EU carriers might have a view on that.

southside bobby 9th Nov 2020 19:48

Good point...but circumstances an` all that perhaps.

southside bobby 9th Nov 2020 19:52

For sure they will but just reflecting that the "talks" have been at high level.

SWBKCB 10th Nov 2020 16:31

Just taken an AN-124 diversion.

Navpi 11th Nov 2020 07:59

Does anyone know where that pesky no Diversions Notam has gone ?

Hopefully the new CEO has seen it, screwed it up and said stuff that. Manchester is "open again" for all traffic..













BHX5DME 11th Nov 2020 10:36

MAG Stats October 2020
 
October Pax

MAN 400,077 down 84.0%

STN 398,989 down 84.0%

EMA 65,826 down 84.4%

12m Rolling Pax at 31.10.20

STN - 11,068,457 down 60.8%

MAN 10,414,721 down 64.6%

EMA 1,285,384 down 72.8%

October Cargo

EMA 38,979 up 11.8%

STN 25,234 up 22.5%

MAN 4,145 down 58.1%

fanrailuk 13th Nov 2020 07:43

EI
 
AerLingus have applied for a 4 aircraft base at MAN starting Summer 2021

Likely routes are ORD, JFK, BOS and MCO - further details are TBC...

Source; SPD Travels via Twitter

biddedout 13th Nov 2020 08:08

With 1600 (and rising) UK pilots out of work, why would the DfT / CAA authorize these routes for IAG when it could be flown by BA using BA crews? More jobs going to foreign businesses and foreign workers when Brits are being laid off. Common travel area means that despite taking away freedom of movement, Aer Lingus could bring in their own crews and base them in the UK and yet they discriminate against Brits by insisting that they have to have the right to live and work in the EU. So in theory, if the IAG led battle against VS continues and Aer Lingus expand further in the UK, it would be more jobs for foreign nationals, brits need not apply.
This Brexit thing really wasn't very well thought out and is turning into a massive own goal.

Flying Hi 13th Nov 2020 08:11


Originally Posted by biddedout (Post 10925450)
This Brexit thing really wasn't very well thought out and is turning into a massive own goal.

you don't say!
This is one U turn he can't make.

southside bobby 13th Nov 2020 09:09

Whilst not without credence the post regarding EIN with a four aircraft base together with destinations appears anticipatory with the word "reputedly" dropped from an article lifted from a well known airline news & analysis website yesterday.

JerseyAero 13th Nov 2020 09:40


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10923521)
Just taken an AN-124 diversion.

The AN124 departed back to Hahn yesterday (12th) - it had originally diverted in from there

The96er 13th Nov 2020 11:21


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10925491)
Whilst not without credence the post regarding EIN with a four aircraft base together with destinations appears anticipatory with the word "reputedly" dropped from an article lifted from a well known airline news & analysis website yesterday.

The slots/times/flight numbers/aircraft type are all showing the relevant airport systems. So I would say it's more than just 'anticipatory' or reputedly'. Of course, there's still the minor issue of a global pandemic to overcome first.

SWBKCB 13th Nov 2020 13:33


Originally Posted by The96er (Post 10925595)
The slots/times/flight numbers/aircraft type are all showing the relevant airport systems. So I would say it's more than just 'anticipatory' or reputedly'. Of course, there's still the minor issue of a global pandemic to overcome first.

What about pesky things like licences and govt approvals - is there a post-Brexit air services agreement with the US yet?

AircraftOperations 13th Nov 2020 13:56


Originally Posted by biddedout (Post 10925450)
With 1600 (and rising) UK pilots out of work, why would the DfT / CAA authorize these routes for IAG when it could be flown by BA using BA crews? More jobs going to foreign businesses and foreign workers when Brits are being laid off. Common travel area means that despite taking away freedom of movement, Aer Lingus could bring in their own crews and base them in the UK and yet they discriminate against Brits by insisting that they have to have the right to live and work in the EU. So in theory, if the IAG led battle against VS continues and Aer Lingus expand further in the UK, it would be more jobs for foreign nationals, brits need not apply.
This Brexit thing really wasn't very well thought out and is turning into a massive own goal.

Are you suggesting BA should/operate with their own fleet? If so, I'd argue that they don't have suitable aircraft for MAN to at least 2 of these suggested destinations. Narrowbodies are required.

VickersVicount 13th Nov 2020 15:45

Would be interesting to see in BA /IAG revenue systems what searches would be put through to those flights? (vs eg via LHR with BA or AA or via DUB)

LGS6753 13th Nov 2020 19:27

Expansion from Iberia Express:

https://ukaviation.news/iberia-expre...er-operations/

commit aviation 13th Nov 2020 20:27


Originally Posted by VickersVicount (Post 10925772)
Would be interesting to see in BA /IAG revenue systems what searches would be put through to those flights? (vs eg via LHR with BA or AA or via DUB)

I think the intention is for the flights to be direct not via DUB.
However the revenue system observation is still a fair one!

SWBKCB 13th Nov 2020 20:30

But any direct flights from MAN will be competing with the via DUB option (as well as via LHR)


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