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Celebrated the 4 millionth passenger of 2017 today.

EasyJet march-June 2018 goes on sale tomorrow morning not expecting any changes ?

Wouldn't have been to/from Bristol as the only flight is at around 9pm🙁,l'll get my coat before it all (unnecessarily) kicks off again....

I am sure they have very little say in the routes they operate unless they are providing some subsidy in one form or another. However airports can encourage airlines by analysing their local market demands in detail and putting forward a case for a new destination.

The armchair CEO comment is absolutely spot on for this forum. Whilst we all have our opinions, posters would do well to remember that airlines have a mountain of data and teams of analysts to help them in their route planning (I'm no expert but off the top of my head: demographics, historical demand, business/tourism potential, load factor, yield, trolley sales, cargo potential, length of flight, turnaround time, landing fees, government taxes, cannibalisation of existing routes, competitor presence, crewing, not to mention aircraft availability)

Hey, MME beat NCL to a flight to NWI...!

All the educated accountants on here missed the vital point re BRS. It was traveller feedback/real life experiences and an expression that they had paid more than £25.99 each way therefore were prepared to pay more for a direct service at more convenient times - profitability is stating the bleeding obvious!

Given the number of airlines that have fallen by the way side due to massive losses and no cash it's a hard business so unless you have the relevant experience in running a profitable airline your comments are no more informed!

Spotters comments, no mention of aircraft regs😀

Interesting. I never really understand yield?? Ok so Newcastle Bristol is sold at 29.99. And they get 100k passengers per year. And they scrap it. So. Why not try to sell for a year at 59.99. Give it a try...I'm sure EK77WNCL amongst many others..inc.me would use it

Am I missing something? Give it a go with increased fares..surely?? These low cost carriers are so blinkered....

If you look at some of the easyJet domestic routes like NCL/BRS and GLA/BFS, they are effectively flying now at peak times only - Monday morning, Thu/Fri/Sun night and a much reduced frequency at other times of the week. It is only on very high volume routes or those with direct competition that you will find what historically would have been considered to be a business schedule.

In effect, the easyJet aircraft is fulfilling the equivalent of the National Express bus to allow business commuters, VFR passengers, students, wedding/hen/stag parties to travel at the times they are most likely to want to. If you can make more by flying a single NCL/FAO rotation on a Thursday morning versus a NCL/BRS and a NCL/BFS roundtrip in the same time slot, then you will. Into that equation, you not only have to consider yield but the likelihood of passengers booking hold baggage and spending on board - both of which are likely to be higher on the FAO given length of flight and length of stay than the BRS + BFS rotations combined.

After some constructive feedback, check out the twice daily service to brs on wed and thurs next year!

Lol.
Who would have thought that management took advice from this forum

Who we going to start on next !!!

The Saturday morning flight also starts a few weeks earlier than it has in previous years, this is normally on an A320 and normally rather full from my experience.

Very good news that EZY has increased frequency... Times are still a bit sh*t, but it's a good move in the right direction and I'm pleased to see it!

Don't know how it works..someone might offer help..is it a couple of well meaning guys in planning/ops/finance .or do they really look at the These routes.

Newcastle to Bristol merits at least 3 returns per day..just look at rail figures,probable car journeys and definitely air passengers in the past.
Yield again...just up the prices..they will still come!!!
Rocket science?? I think not...

Prices do seem low on NCL-BRS compared to the train. The cheapest rail tickets seem to be around £120 return for a 5 hour direct journey whilst you can take the flight for under £70 return and this includes £26 APD! A short notice example for a business trip next Monday morning, returning Tuesday evening shows a flight cost of £108 but the train will cost double that and would take much longer.

Have easyJet stopped flying to Split from NCL? I'm sure it was available earlier this year.

Split only operates until 17th September.

How come the old thread closed and moved to this? I am new to PPrune so sorry if this sounds dumb!

Yes, - Sorry I meant Split does not appear on the easyJet booking tool for Summer 2018, so has this route been dropped from Newcastle for Next Year

Does it not start end of June so will be released with the next lot?
I'm sure thomson have a seat allocation on it could be wrong

Yep you are now close to celebrity status! :uhoh:

On a more relevant point, then note all the comment on where & when EZY should fly, whether one agrees or otherwise with individual comments, then the whole assessment as to what is profitable, yields etc. appear to be put forward with a somewhat parochial view as to EZY's operations.
EZY is a large EU wide operation & whilst a route may be dropped that is profitable, then one presumes that this is because it has been calculated that on aggregate over a set period, greater revenue can be obtained by that aircraft elsewhere.
The main restriction such an ideal scenario is that in such a fixed period then aircraft / crews are "based" & as such route flexibility is then limited. The result is that it is easy to identify a particular route / timing as being "profitable" but to achieve requires available aircraft capacity.
Everyone would love to see their required route leave at a peak hour, but this also is not possible.
Maybe time to give NCL - BRS a rest, after all EZY have run it in past at varying times & frequencies & it is down to their detailed route / revenue knowledge rather than that of individuals limited assessment that the route has to fit in as it does.

Interesting, Thomas Cook operating a W pattern flight using based ac for Leeds to Antalya next summer.

Yes, TUI along with others sell seats on SPU bundled in the package deals.

I was wondering about Split, I couldn't remember whether it started late May or late June last year. Either way, I know it's a short season. Hope to see it come back!

Completely understand skyman's point and he's exactly right. In any situation, the routes/schedules proposed are almost guaranteed to require a 4th based frame. I still do hope this will happen, because a lot of new routes would then become viable (Either that or operated by "away" frames as opposed to "home" frames)

Fortunately (or unfortunately, as the case may be) it would seem that easyJet has hit a profitable sweet spot at Newcastle. They could probably still make money bringing in a 4th or even 5th A319/20 and bringing back Amsterdam, Venice, Munich, Milan, Copenhagen, Budapest, Ibiza, am Bristol rotations, Gatwick/Stansted and the like... But they make *more* money plying ALC, AGP, FAO, PMI daily, and operating "optimised" BRS/BFS flights... Which is why 50% of EZY's BFS rotations are on Friday and Sunday alone.

On BRS/BFS, EZY cater for the VFR market, and an extremely limited amount of flexible business traffic. It makes sense, but it's still rather frustrating for the regular users. More so for those that used to take advantage of the day returns on offer before the turn of the decade

I live in hope... One day, someone might take a leap of faith and I hope it pays off for them. With TFS, CFU, RHO, SPU, SXF and the new BRS schedule, things are certainly looking up, but it'll be a matter of how far they're willing to go with it

Looks like other bases doing similar W patterns for AYT aswell

Gdansk timings are changing from beginning of the winter season on the Friday. New timings are 19.15 GDN Dep 20.30 NCL Arr -- 20.55 NCL Dep with a 00.10 GDN Arr

Not sure if any others routes have been changed.

Easyjet summer schedules from 24th June.....release date is 27th Sept.

Is that earlier than usual? I thought it was always a bit of a wait between March-June and June onwards

I think you are probably right but that's the release date shown on the EZY website.

Ref EZY, I've done a few SXF trips of late & they appear to have German FA's.
Are these flights also SXF based frames ?
If so, is this type of operation becoming more frequent at NCL & thus assisting expansion given that based frames are fully utilized.
In winter I often use the GVA flights & note that GVA appears a large EZY base. To my knowledge this flight has always run as part of NCL based operations.
Are many EZY flights out of NCL operated by non based aircraft & if so is this seasonal ?

Last few times I've been to Geneva, Return flight on Saturday has been on a Bristol based a/c & crew, who were the returning to GVA then finishing their day from GVA to BRS

SXF is, BRS is in Summer but it reverts to NCL crews in winter. I'm 90% sure in previous years the evening GVA on a Saturday was GVA crews.

There was talk of BFS and BRS being crewed by their based aircraft allowing NCL based planes and crews to fly new routes or increase frequencies. I've not had a look to see yet but from what I gather it's just BRS in summers that are operated by BRS based crews. No sign of BFS yet.

It seems BFS has an extra craft based there from next year, so who knows. I'm sure BFS is a nice littler for the NCL base, so long may it continue to be a NCL based route.

SXF is indeed operated by the SXF base.
GVA is AFAIK a NCL based op which often does a W into BOH

The SXF flights are all operated by SXF based A/C. The late evening BRS is operated by BRS based A/C and some of the BFS flights are operated by BFS based A/C. The GVA flights on a Saturday during the winter are operated by a NCL based A/C for the morning flight but the evening flight comes through as a W pattern from another base, not sure which base through.

Good info. If this has date has been brought forwards, I assume this is U2 trying to capitalise on the problems at FR.

Some very good deals on U2 if you can get in early. Last week I snagged flights from NCL to PMI over Easter including seats for £40 each return and NCL-JER over the May bank holiday weekend for £60 each return.

I was returning on the Saturday evening GVA flight (March), operated by Bristol a/c & crew which was then returning to Geneva before finishing their day on a last leg GVA to Bristol - The W pattern you mention above.

Thomas Cook seem to have dropped their extra NCL-CFU flights that were meant to be running throughout next summer on a Thursday evening.

Just tried to book and they're not on their website anymore.

Extra ZTH also dropped in favour of extra DLM / AYT & NBE

Interesting.... advertise a new schedule for 2018 then bin it a week later.

I was about to book one of the Thursday night flights the other day too, as we do NCL-CFU about 5 times a year and it fitted in perfectly with our work schedule! Glad I didn't!

Agree there is alot of fiddling going on with schedules at the moment seat maps look out of date still aswell not sure we even have a A320 here next summer

Danish Air Transport DX961 (ATR42-500 reg. OY-RUO) from CPH landed at 16.14. Leaving NCL for STN at 18:00 as DX5611. Is this an ad hoc charter or to ferry a/c - Listed on FR24 and Newcastle Airport's Departure Board as scheduled.

Sunderland AFC to play Ipswich tomorrow.

Problems with this morning WMI arrival? It's been holding overheat at 10,000ft for the past 20 mins, along with the FR LearJet at 15,000ft.