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Planespeaking 28th Mar 2020 08:07


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10730778)
The other massive challenge for LTN perhaps above other London airports is Brexit, if the Government continue on their kamikaze course. High unemployment from corona will drastically reduce incoming migration and if greater migrants from the last 15 years head back than anticipated either because of the economy or they’re made unwelcome that will further compromise the massive Wizz operation even further. That is assuming Wizz like many other airlines can weather a long shutdown.

'Kamikaze course'. An interesting sweeping assertion.

pabely 28th Mar 2020 08:21

Interesting, I would say more shocking!

Dannyboy39 28th Mar 2020 08:59


Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 10730786)
'Kamikaze course'. An interesting sweeping assertion.

Or correct, considering both Frost and Barnier right now are struck down with COVID-19 and there is no change in timeline because of the crisis!

AirportPlanner1 28th Mar 2020 11:09


Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 10730786)
'Kamikaze course'. An interesting sweeping assertion.

Surely not participating in the purchasing of ventilators and claiming not to have seen the e-mail despite the Health Secretary publicly referring to it the week before is the very definition of kamikaze. As is refusing to take part in pandemic early monitoring even though other non-EU nations do so.

Planespeaking 28th Mar 2020 11:20


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10730923)
Surely not participating in the purchasing of ventilators and claiming not to have seen the e-mail despite the Health Secretary publicly referring to it the week before is the very definition of kamikaze. As is refusing to take part in pandemic early monitoring even though other non-EU nations do so.

And what has that to do with 52% of the nation voting for Brexit? The biggest democratic vote in the country's history.

davidjohnson6 28th Mar 2020 11:33

Could I very gently suggest that Brexit type things be discussed on a separate thread and that this thread be used just for Luton ?

Planespeaking 28th Mar 2020 11:34


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10730942)
Could I very gently suggest that Brexit type things be discussed on a separate thread and that this thread be used just for Luton ?

Sorry David you are right.

AirportPlanner1 28th Mar 2020 11:38


Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 10730934)
And what has that to do with 52% of the nation voting for Brexit? The biggest democratic vote in the country's history.

It wasn’t the biggest democratic vote, that was the 1992 general election. What it has to do with 52% voting to leave the EU is that is the direct consequence of the direction the Government is taking in their ideological interpretation. Why it’s relevant to LTN is that it very much impacts the the future schedule and success of one of the airport’s major operators.

pabely 29th Mar 2020 10:14

I know the Wizzair AM 'rush' has been down to just 5 flights for a while now and today it dropped to 3 but did any actually arrive today?
Edit, just found them on FR24 over Germany heading our way.

LTNman 29th Mar 2020 11:01

I have noticed that Easyjet have run no rescue flights through Luton. Also since last week National Express services no longer operate or call into the airport.

Rumours going around security that Wizz will be pulling their last flights out of Luton soon.

I have been going for walks over the fields by the airport over the last few days. Remarkable as there is no man made noise, just bird song disturbing the peace. A high price is being paid for all that silence though.


D7666 29th Mar 2020 15:56


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10731950)

I have been going for walks over the fields by the airport over the last few days. Remarkable as there is no man made noise, just bird song disturbing the peace. A high price is being paid for all that silence though.

My routine exercise for years, and maintained now, is a walk out south of Luton. The bird song comment is very true, occasionally broken by a train.

One evening mid week the only aircraft I saw or heard was an outbound BA A380 - the surrounding silence allowed the Trents to be heard in full, even at height.

But, as you say, at a price.

LTNman 29th Mar 2020 16:50

Out for an hour and a half today and didn’t see or hear any airport activity apart from security patrolling the fence. Must be as quiet now as it was in the 60’s.

Wonder if the FBO’s are still open 24/7? Can’t see the terminal remaining 24/7 for long.

pabely 29th Mar 2020 17:08

Signature only using T1 now.

LTNman 29th Mar 2020 18:18

Thought the stopped using T2 when their new FBO opened. Certainly never seen any S Class cars up there for a good couple of years.

G-ARZG 29th Mar 2020 18:25


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10732427)
Thought the stopped using T2 when their new FBO opened. Certainly never seen any S Class cars up there for a good couple of years.

I believe SFS T2 is (was) only used for larger 'airliner' type loads

pabely 29th Mar 2020 19:00


Originally Posted by G-ARZG (Post 10732436)
I believe SFS T2 is (was) only used for larger 'airliner' type loads

Correct, footie teams etc but obvoiusly zero demand now.

LTNman 29th Mar 2020 21:25

It was the Ocean Sky terminal. What happened to them at Luton? The main apron for T2 was used for Signature parking but is empty now.

pabely 31st Mar 2020 12:44

Ocean Sky got bought by Signature. With them appearing not be using stands 80/81 perhaps we might see more EZY planes arrive on those? Don't know if they are leased stands or dedicated to the FBO.

LTNman 31st Mar 2020 13:11

Passenger figures down 4% for February compared to last February. Overall still sitting at 18,223,000 for rolling 12 months.

LTNman 31st Mar 2020 13:19


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 10734526)
Ocean Sky got bought by Signature. With them appearing not be using stands 80/81 perhaps we might see more EZY planes arrive on those? Don't know if they are leased stands or dedicated to the FBO.

They used to double park on the south stands years ago for football matches. Also there is the new taxiway extension to 08 that could be used while taxiway Foxtrot only has 3 aircraft parked on there. I assume Luton still has expensive charges as they charge by the hour.

virginblue 31st Mar 2020 13:33

If I am not mistaken, Luton is today London's second busiest airport as far as scheduled flights are concerned (LGW 4, SEN 2, STN 2, LCY 0).

pabely 31st Mar 2020 14:10


Originally Posted by virginblue (Post 10734571)
If I am not mistaken, Luton is today London's second busiest airport as far as scheduled flights are concerned (LGW 4, SEN 2, STN 2, LCY 0).

Scheduled pax yes, but STN is taking a lot more Cargo now so as far as movements it will be #2.

virginblue 31st Mar 2020 14:24

Sure. That's what I meant.

pabely 1st Apr 2020 07:27

Interesting Air Albania due today. Take their citizens home?

ericlday 1st Apr 2020 09:22

ZA BEL just landed

LTNman 1st Apr 2020 09:35


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 10735319)
Interesting Air Albania due today. Take their citizens home?

Doubt it as it doesn't appear on the arrival or departure boards.

LTNman 2nd Apr 2020 13:54

Construction update
 
A short walk from home and daily exercise has taking me today to the fields by the airport for this construction update. The area around the fire training ground is being raised. The fire training ground will move south of the runway under expansion plans.
https://i.imgur.com/bhg5GRz.jpg

Soil for the new taxiway, which is part of the old planning permission for 18 million passengers. Airport expansion plans would require the land being raised by up to 22m which is above the height of the trees. The field seen would become an apron. LLAL states they need to open a quarry and move 4 million cubic metres of earth that would require 400,000 round trips.
https://i.imgur.com/yzEz22I.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8JsJKwe.jpg

Maintenance and winding gear area. Photo by time lapse and taken by the construction company.
https://i.imgur.com/4xh2EAS.jpg

Taken a few weeks ago this is the first winding gear for the dart train
https://i.imgur.com/mmlnfqL.jpg

pabely 2nd Apr 2020 17:35

Two RAF Statesman in yesterday, not as exciting as the C17s produced on social media at other SE airports.

LTNman 2nd Apr 2020 19:38

Harrods closed its FBO at both Luton and Stansted last week

Harrods Aviation is taking “the unprecedented and regrettable decision to temporarily close its FBO and maintenance facilities at its London Luton and London Stansted bases” in response to the UK government’s Covid-19 guidelines. Its two locations will close this Friday—effective at 6 p.m. local time at Stansted and 11:59 p.m. local time at Luton—through at least April 17, when Harrods said it will review the situation.

“This is clearly a very serious global situation, and as an organization, we felt the right action to take was to close our operations at both bases,” said Harrods Aviation managing director Paul Norton. “Using the philosophy of people before profit, the safety and well-being of our staff, our customers, and the wider community becomes our primary focus. This decision has, of course, not been taken lightly. We believe our customers will understand and appreciate the seriousness of the situation and our positive response to it.”

Earlier this month, the company announced an investment in new services and equipment at its FBOs in response to rising customer demand. They included electric car charging points at its Luton facility and a VIP private ambulift at Stansted.

SWBKCB 2nd Apr 2020 19:53


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 10737136)
Two RAF Statesman in yesterday, not as exciting as the C17s produced on social media at other SE airports.

every days a school day - never heard of the 146 referred to as a Statesman before! :ok:

Spanish eyes 2nd Apr 2020 20:02

Nor had I so I had to look it up. Disappointed it was what I would call a 146.

pabely 2nd Apr 2020 20:49

I thought that would make a few of your think! 😉

pabely 2nd Apr 2020 21:31

[QUOTE][Harrods closed its FBO at both Luton and Stansted last week/QUOTE]
I think Signsture down to 09:00 to 19:00 only. Are any London FBOs still 24/7 ?

Wycombe 2nd Apr 2020 21:38


never heard of the 146 referred to as a Statesman before!
BAE used the name to market VIP versions of the a/c IIRC.

pabely 2nd Apr 2020 22:28


Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 10737392)
BAE used the name to market VIP versions of the a/c IIRC.

It is known as that in Wikipedia but I must admit I used the name from BAe Hatfield days.

LTNman 3rd Apr 2020 18:52

With travel bans and passengers general reluctance to travel killing off air travel, Luton's remaining routes are often still full or have fares out of Luton close to £400 for a single journey indicating strong demand. This on services using aircraft including A321's with up to 3 departures a day. Flights into the UK are cheaper but there is still plenty of demand.

pabely 3rd Apr 2020 19:23

Wizzair are still running flights from LGW, BHX & LPL, what is your point? They go into isolation in their home countries. Don't know who is going to bring in the Harvests this year!

LTNman 3rd Apr 2020 19:52

I expected demand to drop off but it is being maintained meaning I doubt Luton will find itself with no passenger services, which will keep the terminal ticking over.

Wizz seem to have the attitude to run what routes they can which must be bringing in high profits on those routes as they have no competition.

Spanish eyes 3rd Apr 2020 20:37

Remember that many passengers will be travelling for Easter to see family which actually makes a complete mockery of government advice not to see family members as it tries to contain the Coronavirus. Walking through arrivals into landside this morning I could see no evidence of social distancing as family members who clearly had not seen each other for a long while greeted each other with kisses and cuddles.

Who knows how many people will now leave Britain with this virus as I believe infection rates are far higher here than in their home countries.

Rutan16 3rd Apr 2020 20:46


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10738650)
I expected demand to drop off but it is being maintained meaning I doubt Luton will find itself with no passenger services, which will keep the terminal ticking over.

Wizz seem to have the attitude to run what routes they can which must be bringing in high profits on those routes as they have no competition.

A significant portion of the still flying Wizz fleet (All UK registered aircraft are in storage up at Doncaster) is currently flying special freight charters from Warsaw via Kazakhstan to and from Beijing carrying medical supplies for the Polish state at the moment Those are hardly likely to be high profit are they !


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