Impossible to see who they are just like Google’s Street View but you have just made a case why airports should be shut down.
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Regarding the DHL flights it seems to be a bit hiss and miss, for example an A300 planned to go to Heathrow from Milan last night but diverted to Luton. On the usual Sunday morning from Porto a Cygnus B757 turned up and then went on to Liege.
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With all the extra Cargo flights going to LHR can it cope, how many parking stands does it have 6? Is parking allocated for each Cargo operator so if two DHL are already outside DHL facility they cannot use a stand next to Menzies Cargo? I have no idea but just a thought.
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If they had 6 that’s 4 more than Luton.
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Wizzair seem to have completely removed the Luton-Kutaisi route from their booking system. Is this just a case of a route being quietly dropped following lockdown, or is it likely to return ? I don't imagine Wizz's promise of everything-back-to-normal-in-June-because-tickets-are-on-sale is correct, but the complete removal of a route from the booking engine is a separate step.
Wizz don't seem to fly to Tbilisi at all, and they still offer many other destinations from Kutaisi, so it seems route-specific |
Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10755354)
If they had 6 that’s 4 more than Luton.
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Work re-started on DART. Not as many hands as of late and also looks like HSE are on site.
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Grassed up by a local residents group and rightly so.
https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/health/...ncerns-2542322 |
Originally Posted by Spanish eyes
(Post 10756532)
Grassed up by a local residents group and rightly so.
https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/health/...ncerns-2542322 |
Originally Posted by The96er
(Post 10756565)
Have you considered a position with the Chinese Communist party ? . I feel you’ll fit in well there !
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It was reported a few days ago that Easyjet were considering not using the middle seats to encourage flying again. So what about remote boarding at Luton? The buses are like sardine cans and once the bus doors are open it is a mad rush to the stairs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52306868 EasyJet plans to keep the middle seat on its planes empty to allow for social distancing once the Covid-19 lockdown has been lifted. EasyJet chief executive Johan Lundgren expects the seating measure will encourage more people to fly. "That is something that we will do because I think that is something that the customers would like to see," he said. https://i.imgur.com/RLLHRCD.jpg Photo by slae |
Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10756753)
It was reported a few days ago that Easyjet were considering not using the middle seats to encourage flying again. So what about remote boarding at Luton? The buses are like sardine cans and once the bus doors are open it is a mad rush to the stairs.
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Originally Posted by vlieger
(Post 10756742)
What a stupid comment. Have to agree with Spanish Eyes, if the construction workers can't be guaranteed the proper PPE and social distancing, it is only right to suspend the works. Would you risk your own life doing it?
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So someone around you has it and they give it to you and then you give it to 2.5 people and then they give it to 2.5 people each and then someone dies and you are only worried about being snitched on. Great, let’s hope it isn’t a family member and rather a complete stranger.
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Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10756864)
So someone around you has it and they give it to you and then you give it to 2.5 people and then they give it to 2.5 people each and then someone dies and you are only worried about being snitched on. Great, let’s hope it isn’t a family member and rather a complete stranger.
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Originally Posted by vlieger
(Post 10756759)
This is the million dollar question of course. Surely all low cost airlines using this pre-boarding sardine concept will have to drastically rethink the whole model.
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Originally Posted by The96er
(Post 10756873)
Weather you like it of not, society will have to be opened up within the next few weeks. The virus Will NOT be gone within the next few weeks, so you'll have to learn to live with it. If not, try watching some Mad Max films, they're now listed under 'Documentaries and Learning'.
I cannot believe that we will press a reset button and just carry on as before. As far as aviation is concerned we will see a new normal develop but I have no idea what that will look like yet. Even if we assume that air travel is unlocked in some form, will governments welcome overseas visitors straight away? Economically they may want to but there are huge health risks. I would imagine at least 50% of people would initially have no desire to travel overseas anyway. For those who might, what happens if the virus takes hold again. Worst case, we are back here and these people would then no doubt expect the government to bring them home again costing more money that we haven’t got (I say we as “we” are the taxpayers who ultimately pick up the bill.) I’m sure senior leaders in both government and the travel industry are acutely aware of this and factor these risks into their decision making. I am an optimistic sort (honest!!) and would dearly love this all just to go away as quickly as it arrived but the reality is that I can’t see that happening any time soon. Most people I know in the industry have written off this year and are simply hoping to survive somehow to summer 2021 when we might see better times. |
The lockdown will start to be relaxed when deaths fall to an acceptable level, which will no doubt be a few hundred deaths a day. That might be fine for government but I still won’t feel safe visiting Asda. The last thing I will be doing is increasing my personal risk by flying out of Luton by lining up in endless queues or sitting in the departure lounge .
https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/health/...-luton-2542734 |
Social Distancing at the Airport
LTNman - Social distancing is an issue that faces every airport in the UK and moreover the world, I don't see how cramming people on to a bus is the only issue they face.
The departure lounge might get crowded and busy but that would be the least of my issues, as atleast you can find quiet corners. I see the real pinch points being boarding gates and the security areas, Especially the lines that snake around left and right, and even during more healthier times if you are at a busy boarding gate or in security you probably have at least 10 people within two metres of yourself in the queue. The airport would have to almost close off every other boarding gate to create enough space for just one flight to board, and the security queuing system will need to be dramatically expanded in to floor space they don't have available in that area. I also see similar issues with Passport Control. The only likely solution I see is people only being allowed to enter security and departures when flights are called, for example 45-60 mins before departure. I guess with the new automated barriers at Security, they can restrict access to security as you have to have your boarding card scanned. As I mentioned its not just Luton that faces this issue, airports like Heathrow and Gatwick have boarding gate holding pen areas, where you can easily have 300-500 people all sat/standing and waiting in a tiny area until the aircraft is ready to board, also the enclosed air bridges will be an issue for these airports too. |
My local supermarket has a notice saying how many people are allowed in at any one time, presumably calculated by the floor area. There are two metre marks all over. The same must surely apply to airport terminals. Would make traditional operations impossible, of course.
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Agree this issue will face all airports. Baggage belts are another pinch point as normally passengers are all trying to grab cases as they pass while standing 3 deep.
So I take a chance and fly Easyjet with its policy of no middle passenger. I am sitting there just boarded in my own personal space when someone comes up with an oversized bag and then puts it in the locker above my head while breathing all over me. https://i.imgur.com/fjM7cUA.jpg Then I could come back to this at Luton. This is the queue for Border Force. Sorry there is no way social distancing can be achieved when flying and it can't be achieved at Luton https://i.imgur.com/SbNXkWe.jpg |
I just recently returned from a very long haul trip (last month) and for us, social distancing was no issue during the journey home. No long queues at check-in, no long queues at immigration, and being in Business Class for the domestic leg then Premium Economy Plus for the long haul home, nobody within 3 feet of us. I agree, 3 feet is not the new so-called social distancing standard, but much better than having someone inches from us. On arrival LHR, again, hardly any queues anywhere. OK it was just as the UK was starting to lockdown but there were people inbound. We just found that waiting a little made what queues there were more manageable.
Our plan pre-COVID-19 was to have another long haul holiday in 2022 and I suspect I'll be either looking at Business or First Class or even going by private charter. Expensive ? Of course it is, but our health and well being is far more important and if it comes to it, we won't travel abroad again. Drastic I know but it comes down to choice. The airlines won't have a choice because they need bums on seats but as consumers, we do have a choice. It's life Jim - but not as we know it ! |
Unfortunately those with relatives that live overseas, who need to travel to visit them don’t all have the budget to pay for business class travel.
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LTNman, some of the issues you mention are relatively easy to solve. Only hand luggage allowed that fits under the seat in front on no use of overhead lockers apart from the people at ‘exit’ seats.
Board the airplane from the middle to the front/back and nobody (in theory) has to walk past an occupied row. Earlier in the thread you said yourself that LLA would have done really well if pax number hit 12 million in 2021 so as a result the queuing at Immigration will be a lot less. |
Yes - the issues are relatively easy to solve, but it means a massive change to they way things have been. Mind, if a lot fewer people are flying, yes a lot of these issues disappear.
30 people on a 738/320 and social spacing becomes a lot easier... |
There are a number of measures that can be taken initially there will probably only be a third of the number of people flying so prices will be three times higher. Terminal entry can be restricted to passengers only maximum two hours before departure. Social distancing in baggage reclaim might be possible given the level of passenger usage. Luton appears to have a problem with immigration though as from memory it doesn't have a large hall where you could snake people and keep them 2 m apart like some other airports.
Bear in mind I think we will be lucky to see 6 million pax this year and 9 million next at best though. |
Just my own thoughts but I think travel to and from Eastern Europe, which is around 50% of Luton’s passengers will bounce back quickly, as there will be a pent up demand to stay with friends and family. Also it was this traffic that was the last to end at Luton which at one point made LTN London’s second busiest airport after Heathrow. It is the remaining 50% that will take much longer.
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Good point. The Eastern Europeans seem much less risk averse than others- they seem content to smoke in larger numbers for example.
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Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10757821)
Just my own thoughts but I think travel to and from Eastern Europe, which is around 50% of Luton’s passengers will bounce back quickly, as there will be a pent up demand to stay with friends and family. Also it was this traffic that was the last to end at Luton which at one point made LTN London’s second busiest airport after Heathrow. It is the remaining 50% that will take much longer.
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Terminal closes tonight to all passengers.
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Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10759505)
Terminal closes tonight to all passengers.
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By knowingly selling tickets on flights they know won’t operate is that not fraud?
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With not much to talk about I noticed that the hangar line is not as crowded as it was. 2 more stands are now vacant as 2 Ryanair’s have just departed for Stansted.
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Originally Posted by alm1
(Post 10759574)
And Wizz Air still keeps flights to Sofia and Varna on sale. Budapest flight was moved to Gatwick.
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Budepest LGW was an existing route so not really a move, just suspended from Luton.
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Originally Posted by pabely
(Post 10760371)
Budepest LGW was an existing route so not really a move, just suspended from Luton.
Tickets for 3 rotations SOF-LTN tomorrow are still being sold. Wizz know how to not care about scheduling. |
Originally Posted by alm1
(Post 10760404)
Yes, but they didn't operate BUD-LGW for almost a month now and todays flight has flight number of yesterdays Luton flight. They sell both from 1st May.
Tickets for 3 rotations SOF-LTN tomorrow are still being sold. Wizz know how to not care about scheduling. |
LBC
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Originally Posted by pabely
(Post 10760795)
Just tried to book SOF-LTN and sold out until 29/4. We know that won't run so will I get a credit +20% for a later date?
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