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Buster the Bear 14th Jan 2019 17:59


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10360581)
A cynical attempt by Stansted to keep wage rates low. I watched an interview with an employer moaning that without his EU workforce he would be forced to increase wage rates to attract more English.


Heathrow and Gatwick have pledged to do similar.

_aax1 15th Jan 2019 19:38


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10360581)
A cynical attempt by Stansted to keep wage rates low. I watched an interview with an employer moaning that without his EU workforce he would be forced to increase wage rates to attract more English.


Absoulte rubbish. It’s a good will gesture to show these European workers they make a valuable contribution to the airport, our society and economy.

The truth is, airport pay is good compared to other unskilled jobs in other industries, the issue with Stansted is unemployement in the local area is one of the lowest in the country. Nothing to do with your unsourced, political statement.

Buster the Bear 15th Jan 2019 20:27

I'm not too sure I agree with airport pay is good. Minimum wage rules. The long hours artificially boost salaries.

LTNman 15th Jan 2019 21:50



Originally Posted by _aax1 (Post 10361539)


Absoulte rubbish. It’s a good will gesture to show these European workers they make a valuable contribution to the airport, our society and economy.

The truth is, airport pay is good compared to other unskilled jobs in other industries, the issue with Stansted is unemployement in the local area is one of the lowest in the country. Nothing to do with your unsourced, political statement.




What are you on, as you haven’t got a clue. Suggest you visit the airport’s annual job fair. I have been to it for the last 2 years to have a look around and I can tell you zero hour contracts or 10 to 20 hour contracts, if you are lucky, are the name of the game at Luton. People take the work in the hope that they will be offered extra hours but the staff turnover rates are massive and next to no company seems to pay the living wage when I visited but there are always new workers looking for jobs.

My son worked at the airport for 6 months and would be called in for 3 or 4 hour shifts or not at all. This was based on a 24/7 pattern but was an 18 hour contract although he was usually offered more hours but not always.

As for unskilled what do you call unskilled? Anyone working on the apron has a level of skill in my eyes. How about a dispatcher, are they unskilled? My airside driving pass and even airport pass involved exams and study, then there was job training which also involved examinations.





HundredPercentPlease 16th Jan 2019 07:31


Originally Posted by _aax1 (Post 10361539)
The truth is, airport pay is good ..

Menzies are offering 20 hour contracts. £8,582 a year. The bottom end of the rental market in Luton is £6,000 a year. You cannot describe that pay as "good".
Curiously, Menzies are offering the same job in Prague, but it is full time and €23,000.

I have heard the excuse "unemployment is really low in XXX" in practically every airport in the UK (by exploitative managers).

SWBKCB 16th Jan 2019 07:41


Stansted, which currently employs around 200 people born in EU countries within its workforce of 2,000 colleagues at the airport
Quote from the Ipswich Star story - is that 200 number realistic, I'm surprised it's that low?

bycrewlgw 16th Jan 2019 08:06


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10361859)
Quote from the Ipswich Star story - is that 200 number realistic, I'm surprised it's that low?

probably doesn’t include those working for third parties such as the handling agents food outlets etc. Just the core business

LTNman 16th Jan 2019 12:31

Construction update
 
With careful examination, this picture, which was taken last week, shows the steelwork for the multistory just sitting below the taxiway so maintaining visibility from the control tower. Behind the taxiway can be seen Taxiway Foxtrot and the de-icing pads under construction.
https://i.imgur.com/vdbe8nq.jpg
LLA

https://i.imgur.com/CekSSG0.jpg

This photo shows clearly the slope of the access route into the first floor of the multistory from the roadway. With the southern core now complete I have noted that both cores will have 4 floors. In the planning application drawings the southern core had only 3 floors while the northern core had 4
https://i.imgur.com/T7RuRzl.jpg

Photo taken in the rain today shows the 26 threshold. This is one of the areas that will receive soil from the DART construction. The other major area is to the right of the fire training ground. It is by this area the airport wants to build a further apron. The photo was taken from where LLAL want to build a second terminal.
https://i.imgur.com/krNyhmZ.jpg

When the DART leaves Parkway it will travel on columns to where the left hand digger is. The digger marks the point of the bridge that will cross the A1081 and Airport slip road. Behind the digger is the airport boundary on the other side of the road. As can be seen work has started on the foundations of the support columns.
https://i.imgur.com/OpBT5qk.jpg

southside bobby 16th Jan 2019 16:21

As mentioned by B the B the Vueling base at AMS has now been officially announced as being taken over by Level from the spring...

Will the LTN service continue as Level?

compton3bravo 16th Jan 2019 16:55

At the moment you can book Florence and Amsterdam according to the Vueling website. Both services operated by Vueling aircraft. Florence twice weekly and Amsterdam twice daily.

LTNman 16th Jan 2019 17:06

Gives Luton a bit of variety but they never seemed that committed to Luton. Don’t think the airport will be bothered as they focus just on the big three for growth.

Buster the Bear 16th Jan 2019 19:35

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-eco...ow-demand.html

LTNman 17th Jan 2019 04:47

Dart information.
 
Key facts and figures:
  • Contractor: Doppelmayr Cable Car UK Limited
  • System type: Cable Liner Double Shuttle
  • Line: 2 independent tracks, each covering a length of 1,955m
  • Number of trains: 2 trains, each consisting of 4 cars
  • Capacity per train: 170 passengers
  • Transport capacity: 2,720 passengers per hour and direction
  • Installation to commence in autumn 2019
  • Public service from April 2021
  • Operating agreement for 5 years + option of another 5 years
With each carriage having a strange average of 42.5 passengers they must be somewhat short to allow for tight turns. I also wonder how many seats will be provided for those 170 passengers? The video seems to show a few inward facing seats per carriage.


22/04 17th Jan 2019 05:39

Seating on short railway journeys in now considered to be at a premium, with standee space very important- just look at the trains now running on Thameslink - so not many seats. TBH those who can probably prefer to stand over their luggage on this type of journey ( some may sit on it!) and seating will be intended for those who can't stand.

This is a big leap forward for LTN though and something it should have had 30 years ago.

gilesdavies 17th Jan 2019 12:03

I'm curious what the charge will be to use this service...

Unlike the current bus service that is run by Thameslink, as part of their franchise, they will probably be regulated by the government to what they can charge for the bus service... However it appears LLAOL will be running the new train service themselves up to airport.

Based on all the other charges LTN imposes, I can't imagine this will be a free service, like at Gatwick with the link from the railway station to the North Terminal. I think it will be a safe bet it will be more than the current bus service, and be interesting to see if there is a charge, if they will allow it to be included in train tickets or if everyone will have to buy a separate ticket to board the service.


Seating on short railway journeys in now considered to be at a premium.
There will probably be an additional charge to get a seat! :}

PAXboy 17th Jan 2019 15:04

On the Dart, how long is the running time expected to be?

Falcon666 17th Jan 2019 15:14


Originally Posted by PAXboy (Post 10363217)
On the Dart, how long is the running time expected to be?

Under 4 minutes Station to Station.

Buster the Bear 17th Jan 2019 19:15

DART project is a massive financial gamble and being financed by eye-watering loan amounts by Luton Borough Council.

Spanish eyes 17th Jan 2019 19:38

Article here that asks some searching questions about the finances of the DART like the fact that it will take over 118 million journeys just to cover the cost without interest payments and operating costs and the fact that only 2.82 million passengers are predicted to use it each year.

https://stoplae.org/the-dart-link-lu...g-225-million/

Falcon666 17th Jan 2019 21:51


Originally Posted by Spanish eyes (Post 10363459)
Article here that asks some searching questions about the finances of the DART like the fact that it will take over 118 million journeys just to cover the cost without interest payments and operating costs and the fact that only 2.82 million passengers are predicted to use it each year.

https://stoplae.org/the-dart-link-lu...g-225-million/

You could say it’s a bit of a gamble but that link is obviously biased to stop expansion.2.82 Million passengers currently travel by train, that’s not a future prediction.The Airport obviously want that figure to increase significantly once the DART is operational.
Where is the evidence that travel by car would increase by 75% with a second termina?l .The highways agency are yet to produce their feedback to the Council on the proposed road to Century Park.( due in February) If ,and its a big if the airport actually succeeds in getting more direct, faster links to London from Parkway then The DART should be successful.

Payback time— who knows but the council should have done their homework on that , is it a vanity project, some may say yes but the airport does need it.
I’ve been stuck in summer at Parkway trying to get a bus to the terminal, stuck in traffic for 30 mins, it isn’t fun so the Dart will be a godsend once it’s up and running and I will use the train more often for sure.

Apart from that it’s adding value to the council if they ever wanted to sell the airport in the future- just playing devils advocate!,


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