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esscee 10th Aug 2020 10:11

dj6, some good points well made.

Manx 10th Aug 2020 17:44

So in between slating the airport and airlines for trying to save their businesses and the jobs of their employees which leads to lots of people in quite a small airport terminal complex, we now want to senior managers to needlessly and "regularly" walk around the airport terminal doing the job of the non-senior managerial team. Interesting take. Damned if they do...

I'm agree with avidspotter.

You'd sometimes be forgiven for thinking this might be the LADACAN message board

davidjohnson6 10th Aug 2020 17:59

From what I recall, every senior manager at McDonalds has to spend one day per year on the kitchen floor, flipping burgers. Yes, people on $1m+ per year, shaking fries

I wouldn't expect senior management at Luton airport to be spending considerable amounts of time cleaning the toilets, but I would expect them to be on the customer-facing areas of the airport on a regular basis (even 1 hour per week would suffice) to see what's actually happening - and also be talking on a regular basis with the junior staff. Equally I would expect board level directors at an airline to be on a flight of their airline every now and again (e.g. every 3 months) - if only to remind themselves of how the company's product is delivered in the real world and see what could be done better. Simply by being visible to junior staff, the senior manager motivates the rest of the employees - i.e. lead from the front
Hiding away in the executive office suite usually leads to an out-of-touch manager who doesn't really understand their business. If a senior manager doesn't want to be on the notional shop floor because they're worried about health risks - then it's not suitable for the junior staff either

inOban 10th Aug 2020 18:35

Absolutely correct. If senior managers sit in their offices they will only know what the middle managers tell them, and they will only know what the front line tell them, and they know that their career depends on telling their bosses what they want to hear.
All the best and most successful customer-focussed businesses ensure that the senior management have direct contact with the front line.

compton3bravo 10th Aug 2020 18:58

Did anyone notice BlueAir operating a scheduled service from/to Suceava today in competition with Wizz, apparently four weekly. I cannot remember any announcement about the route but maybe I have been half asleep!

pabely 10th Aug 2020 19:27

Temperary Bacau Airport Closure I suspect, but a few days early
"Following the decision of the Bacău International Airport Administration, regarding the temporary closure of the airport between August 15 and September 30, 2020 for carrying out modernization works, Blue Air is forced to transfer the planned flights to the airports in the region."

22/04 11th Aug 2020 12:27


If senior managers sit in their offices they will only know what the middle managers tell them, and they will only know what the front line tell them, and they know that their career depends on telling their bosses what they want to hear.
Yep the old adage was "if you don't walk it you don't own it"

LTNman 11th Aug 2020 15:50

Senior managers attend https://www.llacc.com/ meetings. They know exactly what is going on.

List of attendees of the last meeting here. https://www.llacc.com/wp-content/upl...-20-Final-.pdf

The last meeting was held in July. Minutes are from Pre Covid January, as the April meeting was cancelled but they are now conducted online.

LTNman 12th Aug 2020 05:55

While waiting for the July passenger figures I would be surprised if Luton hasn’t handled close to a million passengers in August based on the constant noise outside.

Another interesting YouTube video has appeared online of a passengers experience passing through Luton and travelling on the 14:40 Wizz flight to Rhodes, which was using an A321 and was full.

The airport seemed fine at that time of day but I noticed at the very end passengers were bussed to the terminal at Rhodes. Basically once the passenger join the queue for boarding at Luton until he reached the terminal at the other end there is no social distancing, which must carry a risk.

For those not familiar with Luton this is quite a good video to watch as it shows different parts of the airport.

Search for the link directly on Youtube for the HD version.


Cloud1 12th Aug 2020 09:54


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10858756)
While waiting for the July passenger figures I would be surprised if Luton hasn’t handled close to a million passengers in August based on the constant noise outside.

Another interesting YouTube video has appeared online of a passengers experience passing through Luton and travelling on the 14:40 Wizz flight to Rhodes, which was using an A321 and was full.

The airport seemed fine at that time of day but I noticed at the very end passengers were bussed to the terminal at Rhodes. Basically once the passenger join the queue for boarding at Luton until he reached the terminal at the other end there is no social distancing, which must carry a risk.

For those not familiar with Luton this is quite a good video to watch as it shows different parts of the airport.

Search for the link directly on Youtube for the HD version.

https://youtu.be/ZtqxyNTDq80

It carries risk if people are not wearing face coverings because if they cough, sneeze or release fluid particles (which we do breathing anyway) then there is a small risk of that getting in to the eyes of someone stood nearby. The social distance allows those particles to fall. If however everyone is wearing face coverings the transmission is so low it is almost impossible as long as people don’t touch their masks and then touch their face. There is so much scaremongering with this at the moment but if people comply with basic guidance we can almost go about our business as usual.

The exceptions are places like cafes, restaurants, pubs etc where face coverings cannot be worn because of the purpose of that business.

Buster the Bear 12th Aug 2020 12:01

Google Bedford Deep Dive. Recent spike there revealed working age people were contracting the virus.

People should be free to fly or travel wherever they like, but face a mandatory 14 day isolation on return. I think that is only fair on the rest of the UK population until a proven and effective vaccine is rolled out. I also think that the furlough scheme for the travel sector should roll through next winter.

BHX5DME 12th Aug 2020 14:30

[QUOTE=LTNman;10858756]While waiting for the July passenger figures I would be surprised if Luton hasn’t handled close to a million passengers in August based on the constant noise outside.

Heathrow only handled 800,000 pax in July !
Luton appears to be the 'clear' winner in terms of getting numbers back but cant see July being more then 300,000 and August 400,000




TBSC 12th Aug 2020 20:58


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10858374)
Senior managers attend https://www.llacc.com/ meetings. They know exactly what is going on.

Everyone familiar with aviation knew that the extra careful cleaning and the distancing (at the airport or on board an aircraft) is only PR bs. 24 people with covid was found on a Wizz Skopje-Turku flight on Saturday. According to media reports a guy with covid was working in Wizz's Budapest HQ for more than a week with symptoms (...), hospitalized, the staff is not even advised who it was. How on earth would they know who had close contact with him then? Yep cash is king.

pabely 13th Aug 2020 20:20

A tad wet & thunderstormy at the moment, hope the buckets are out in the terminal!
Some holding starting on arrivals.

pabely 14th Aug 2020 20:48

July 2020 Stats
 
https://mediahub.london-luton.co.uk/...by-74?ref=Home
Approx 465,000 pax for month.

BHX5DME 14th Aug 2020 22:16


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 10861245)

Looks like Luton and Stansted's figures will be very similar and 2nd / 3rd to Heathrow in July

LTNman 15th Aug 2020 05:15


Alberto Martin, CEO of LLA, said: “Seeing an increasing number of passengers passing through the airport safely is a rich reward for all the hard work and effort our teams have put in on the ground during this incredibly difficult period.
I am actually struggling to think what hard work and effort their teams have put in apart from adding a few sanitiser stations, putting in a few random floor markings, closing off some seating and adding a very short section of one way barriers that covers around 10% of the route from the drop off zone to the terminal.

His comment about passengers passing through the airport safely just don’t add up when there is no enforcement of social distancing breaches but then the airport does not have the space to allow for social distancing. It would be better to be upfront and admit deficiencies so potential passengers can make informed decisions.

The airports good fortune, if that is the right word, is that Wizz is the airports biggest operator.

compton3bravo 15th Aug 2020 11:04

Personally I find it a bit disingenuous singling out Luton or any airport for that matter regarding social distancing. It seems to me that after the Cummings debacle most people said sod this for a lark. In my local area SD is very hit and miss and mostly miss. Last week I decided to have a meal out for the first time since March. The restaurant in question never asked me for my name or phone number (I thought it was the law) and sit anywhere you like - it was not busy so that really did not matter that much.
Back to airport matters I would think the airport is quite pleased to get nearly half a million passengers in July in the present climate.

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pabely 15th Aug 2020 12:10


Back to airport matters I would think the airport is quite pleased to get nearly half a million passengers in July in the present climate.
The council might be worried that it dilutes their case for Central Govenment assistance.

pabely 15th Aug 2020 12:24

Is that the first W9 Moscow flight for a while today?


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