Shorthaul ETPs
 

Ladies and Gents,

Can the Globespan Drivers give their thoughts on ETPs on the european routes (mainly to TFS & ACE) some ask for them, dont really think its required though???

Globespaner:D

Edi-ibz
 

We only just took our EDI-IBZ back...had Europe airpost operating them for us.

Always busy nearly full. Dont think crews enjoy them. EDI-IBZ this late in season??
Globespaner

webby1919, when does the MOD charters start and which a/c is lined up to operate it, or will it rotate among the B767s?

MOD
 

Evening

PT is going to carry on with AI (Current)

FG Going to MPN via ACN (October)

OD will be going to Air Calin. (October)

Anything else give me a shout

Globespaner

It for all to say and see.
 

What is it with the need of people to post such utter rubbish DAVYDAY? You are obviuosly very ill informed. Come back with some hard facts, or please do not post here.


Excuse me. The information I posted ,as confirmed, was factual.

When I arrived at Edi on Tuesday night and met a friend from GSP HQ
they told me and were wondering what was going on.
Like all of us at the moment in the industry (for all our jobs)

This site is for sharing information ,which has been confirmed by the airline and a valid reason given.

The conversation ended with me informing them not to worry and ask the question.

I will not post anything that is untrue or scare mongering
However, I shall post if it is of interest to the PPRUNE network
or even at times requires provocative action to get a honest reply.
Which I am sure has done on this occasion.

I have no reason whatsoever to imply or doubt Globespan future they seem to have a clear focus in where they want to be.and I wish them
every success.

People need to get on with their lives. this network to many of us that fly rely on information being passed to each other and have done for a very long time.

Davy.

Jet2 EDI-IBZ doesn't start till May S09.

Why are GSM leasing a 752 from Astraeus to operate flights from Birmingham-Amristar for a month or 2 is it for this new airline?
Flyglobespan

Think its a charter on behalf of another company, but because we are using all our 76s elsewhere we need our own 75 for going accross the pond.

Globespaner

If only they could secure the lease for couple of years instead of months

1 more 752 and a couple of new 737NG'S would go down great! :ok:

Remember what happened last time we leased a 757? once bitten twice shy lol.

Something must be in pipeline though with regards to new aircraft, selling 4 600s in a year..and with our programme in S09 we need um!!!!

Globespaner

Hiya Gaz,

Where did you get that from?? whats the type??

Globespaner

You know your stuff Gaz, i was under the inpression that we were only going to lease AC and provide CC for it? As we in ops havent been asked to do any routes yet as that would be AUS job?

Globespanner

I was just being a touch moronic there Gaz, I thought in your previpus mail you said JB would be our AC?? but i realise we are only leasing it now!!

Glad to hear that the rumours of last night have proven untrue.

Does anyone know why the SFB-GLA is running late the past couple of days?

Hi mate

Yeah the AC (OD) has been been tech a couple of times in 3 weeks so now, we are catching up. Will be back on sched on sunday i think which is great news!!
globespaner

I'm on that one tomorrow (10.30) from Glasgow). Any idea how late it's likely to be?

Do the MOD flights start early or late Oct?

hello...no more than an hour i reckoon but not been on shift today.

Check in normal time

Have a good time!

gerry,

the SFB-GLA flight is due to leave in roughly 2 1/2 hours from right now which is 1 1/2 hours later than scheduled.

So taking this into account I would hazard a guess that your flight (with all things going according to plan) will depart Gla sometime around 1PM.

Remember though the flight could cacth up time coming back over the atlantic-Just all depends on weather conditions.

Have a nice time in Florida.

Chaps

Flight time tonight will be approx 0715

Thanks guys.

globespaner

Is that 7hrs 15 into Belfast?

How long will the turn around be in Belfast? 30-40 minutes???

Hiya

Yep around 0715 to BFS....Wld be same to GLA though.

T/A 40 mins,Mabye a touch longer, but that what we wld plan for
Globespaner

how come the flight to SFB seems to be going tech more often than usual?

No particullar reason or rhyme to it..the 767s which have been allocted mosly have baien doing a lot of CAN routes as well as SFB so any DLA starts to run on..are getting on top of it. Good summer compares to last and we will only get bigger better and stronger

That is the positive mental attitiude that we want Globespaner!!

The majority of us see what needs to happen and it seems we will get the chance in the Winter season to make ot better...so come next summer we will coming out all guns blazing.

We learned from last summer..we just need to keep going and we are for sure in the right direction

Bottom of the list !
 

Alitalia has been taken off the betting site that people have been talking about on here, this now puts Fly Globespan at the bottom of the next Airline to go bust, showing (3-1) but lets not worry to much as Thomas cook are sandwiched between Wizz and Jet2 in position six (16-1):\.

Keep you chin up GMS, you can come through this, keep fighting :ouch:.

You seem to imply that Paddy Power have some kind of aviation knowledge.

I would put lots of money on them just having one bloke who trawls through these pages.
PP reacts instantly to what's written on this site, and as GSM is the only one being talked about right now, that's why we are next. The R&N thread implies that Alitalia has all but gone already, so they have been taken off the PP site!

For instance, if they knew anything about aviation, VS would be much much higher up the list.......
And Air France would be about 5 trillion to one!

Sky Europe was next when someone reported that 2 aircraft had been detained at MAN. As soon as it was noted they had left, the odds changed again.....
:8

We Are Not Going Bust........ Anyone Who Takes Into Account What Price A Bookie Shows On A Website Isnt Worht Listening To

In this current climate NO airline can safely they won't go down the can.
Lets hope that we can all see it out !

luvly jubbly

I would think pp respond to how much money is placed and set the odds accordingly, just like any other bookie.

GLOBESPANER

Stockbrokers fall into the same category. Its all a punt.

I think you will find that it's people from these forums that are placing all those bets, so even in your scenario, it's still only reacting to postings on pprune!

luvly jubbly

Quite possibly, I was just balancing comments on how the bookies work.

My money is firmly in my back pocket, and staying there. ;)

None meant or taken Spinnaker.....

I'm just making a point that on other forums (dibb etc) Pax are not booking with GSM simply because we are 3-1 on that site!:ugh:

PP and other bookies sites have no knowledge of GSM's trading figures.


Regards
LJ

I dont think GSM will go bust, but just have to drastically change their business model, which I believe they are starting to do. Theres no point trying to compete with the likes of EZY and RYR, because at the end of the day, GSM just hasn't got the resources to do so. GSM also is only really a strong brand (by strong I mean well known) in Scotland, and not around Europe like EZY and RYR. It's like asking your average traveller in Scotland, do you know who Sterling are? Would you know to go to their website as well as Ryanair's when wanting to fly from EDI to Stockholm? On routes where RYR/EZY and GSM compete, RYR/EZY are going to have less to do in terms of marketing as they get more visitors to their website.
GSM need to focus in on medium to long haul holiday routes, ie Canaies, Greece, Turkey, Egypt, USA, Canada, Malta, Southern Spain etc. Destinations that LCC's wont touch for at least a few more years from Scotland. They need to expand fast into this area.

Im afraid to say when it comes to PMI/ALC/AGP etc. GSM will struggle, as RYR/EZY come in, lower prices and attract the price sensitive market, which im afraid to say, is going to be the majority of the travelling public in the next 2 years.

Good luck to GSM, work on your long haul product.

Of all the airlines in the UK and Europe I would think that Globespan are probably one of the more secure.

XL went bust because they were fundamentally not a profitable business, owed lots of money and operated on competitive routes. Globespan on the other hand say that they are profitable, are unlikely to have a large debt to service and are probably Scotlands biggest holiday airline.

The new management at Globespan seem to be doing a good job. However, I would have thought that their PR department might have been doing more positive spinning in the press of late.

I don't get why people are so eager to see Globespan fail. They have created a lot of jobs North of the border.

Here here Flat.

Globespan is getting bigger and we are havingto look at how we can cover the programme we have and the charters!!

Moan the Globespan...

Globespaner

Do you think we will ever see a year when GSM just go all out for the Summer again use all 3 of the 763's and have more 737's?

Operate routes again such as GLA-BOS, MAN-CPT and actually give GLA-Las Vegas, Barbados a chance before canceling it and a large YHM programme?

Then a return of the routes to Greece and flights out of London again?

It would be great one day to see GSM the size of Jet2 with much newer a/c!

I doubt TD would let GSM collpase if he was desperate i bet he would go to Philip Meeson of Jet2 or Thomascook and discuss a merger BUT i hope to god that never happens.

One day Jet2's old a/c are going to come back and bite!

FlatBroke, you are correct, we have created a lot of jobs north of the border, but also made a lot of people redundant south of the border (some more than once). I just hope we dont take on too much work, cant cover it and lose contracts, like we have before. The concept and foundations of a good airline are there. The new management are doing a good job, but cabin crew management are blinkered and are just trying to turn it into their previous company! (no new/fresh ideas, old fashioned 1990's charter attitude)

B767 to South Atlantic??
 

Briefly – “The new South Atlantic Airbridge contract has been awarded to Chapman Freeborn: the service will be operated by Flyglobespan using a B767 aircraft four times per fortnight with effect from Wednesday 1 October 2008. The airbridge is run under a two-year contract with two one-year options, expected to run until 2012. The airbridge will leave Brize Norton southbound on Wednesdays and Sundays, and it will leave Mount Pleasant northbound on Fridays and Tuesdays.

The aircraft will operate at timings very similar to those in operation with the current schedule. Details will be confirmed as soon as possible.

This service provides a higher frequency of flights than the previous arrangement, which offered three flights per fortnight, as well as an enhanced aeromedical and freight capability.

The aircraft is chartered to carry 184 passengers on each flight. Although designed to carry more passengers, the extra payload will be used solely for freight and the extra fuel required for a journey of this length”. MOD 27 August 2008.

Ascension and Mount Pleasant have been served by MoD charters for a number of years now. Air Luxor briefly used a TriStar 500 and then an A330-200. BMI also used an A330-200 before the contract reverted to a B747 Classic and lately a DC10.

The first stage from Brize to Ascension is some 3800nm and the second from Wideawake to Mount Pleasant is about 3400nm. Exact routes vary but the Northern End comprises three strategies. The longest, largely oceanic route is geared towards mainly military traffic. A “median” route passing through Portugal and the Canaries before paralleling the West African Coast is popular. Then there are at least two variants of a shorter route which follow the median except that they continue through Portugal and then Africa before breaking out over the open sea around Conakry or Monrovia. Used by civilian, not military aircraft.

If we concentrate on the median route and a typical B767-300ER you might find the following of interest. MTOW 400,000lb; OEW 204,000lb (a bit high but catering for MPN must be forwarded); MZFW 295,000lb; MLW 310,000lb; Fuel 24140USG. These are original Boeing figures and need metrication for European palates which follows shortly.

Only 184 pax maximum are to be carried. It may be an unwelcome thought but Ascension cannot cope with a major disaster and the morgue, a fetching “chapel of rest” at Long Beach is just an industrial meat freezer. (No I don’t mean St Mary’s Church, go look at the old C&W site, now abandoned). The island is fine for dentistry and midwifery but supports no resident population other than contract workers and military who, in theory at least, are in the peak of condition.

Custom and practice has been to allow 54kg baggage for Saints and military and 27kg for contractors and others. At any rate, with absolutely no wind at all here is how the B767-300ER fares. In practice an assortment of Odd/Even flight levels is used but this calculation is simplified into FL310-350-390 with optimal step climbs. Given that the departing aircraft is somewhat constrained by the need to be at least at FL310 by Berry Head the rules are European/South American Corridor RVSM followed by ASECNA RVSM and finally conventional hemi. Arriving at Ascension the aircraft must have contingency reserves plus 2 hours. As you can see the payload is not brilliant.

TOW 173820kg
OEW 92530kg
Fuel 54200kg
Payload 27000kg (184 @ 82+54=136kg ea plus 1976kg cargo)
Trip Fuel 42700kg
Reserve Fuel 10,900kg
Other Fuel 600kg

This isn’t a Wayne and Tracey visit Torremolinos but forget to pack some clothes route. This is an airbridge and it gets tougher on the next sector. Factor in some wind and the B767-300ER is going to be right up against it. Methinks.