SkipnessOneEcho

The only problem with GSM's MAN-CPT route was the schedule being op'd by 1 aircraft with no spare to take up the slack due tech problems.

So, Skippy, how did GSM's MAN-YHM, MAN-YYC & MAN-YVR routes go? Suprise,suprise, GSM will be doing it again next summer.

GSM has a MAN base with an office with a crewroom, based pilots & cabin crew. GSM's Maintrol department is also based at MAN.
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Hot money on airline collapse - Business News, Business - The Independent

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Seem as Paddy Power has taken Alitalia off the list, GSM has nudged it's way to top place.

Are the punters going to get stung on their bets or not..time will tell, I guess!

EI-CFC

Post the link to Paddy Power. I checked out the PP website & couldn't find the link to the airline bankruptsy section.

I'm dying to have a 'flutter'.
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Flying to where? The Hamilton services are a W / non based operation surely? If they open a base they'll be putting B737s up against the big boys outside Scotland and that hasn't worked for them yet.

Skippy

Like I said earlier, the ex-MAN services used MAN-based crews just as the ex-LGW services used LGW-based crews & GLA & EDI used their respective based crews.

Does this concept seem particularly alien to you?
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Yes it does when the airline doesn't have a daily presence at the airport. It is a little unusual, (and costly) to have a crew base for a few days a week. Surely they don't have flight deck based at MAN or LGW?

That page seems to be unavailable at the moment.... It was here;
Next Airline To Go Bust? Betting

However, they seem to have started an FR one here;
Ryanair Special Betting

PS. Yes we have based pilots at MAN..... Also LGW & LHR. I guess it's easier to recruit to these bases, particularly for foreign crews who commute.
Unfortunately, it has proven to be difficult to get pilots to join Scottish bases....

LJ

That's what I wanted to put a bet on- GSM NOT going under.

I think the legal terriers in Collinton will relish getting their teeth into the Independant's crock of cr*p.

The link to the Paddy Power section states that it has closed that particular branch of betting choices which is such a pity because I really wanted to place a bet.

I honestly don't know why a section of the press or Ppruners has such a doom & gloom outlook towards GSM. Does:

1) Recruiting additional Pilots.
2) Procuring more aircraft.
3) Securing extra ACMI work.
4) Existing ACMI contracts being extended.
5) Bookings for S09 well ahead of last years sales.
6) Being awarded a very lucrative government contract.
7) On course to post a profit inspite of stormy market forces.

sound much like an airline that's going under? Unfortunately some posters only post what they think will cause alarm & concern... instead of fact-based information.

Chickenstrips

I can see Collinton just staying quiet. They aren't answerable to any shareholders or investors as it's a one-man family company. They are awash with cash, hedged their fuel at a rate considerably less than RYR & don't really care about what's posted on this Forum or in the press south of the border, unless it's libelous, & if they do post anything in the press then it's normally in the Scottish media.

Skippy

Exactly what part of "GSM has crews based in MAN,LGW & LHR" don't you understand? GSM DO INDEED have flight deck based at MAN. I know this as fact because I'm one of them.
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As much as im for GSM, this is a bit of shock please don't tell me GSM sent a 738 all the way from MAN to YVR? i mean YHM ok, but YVR, your having a laugh! Can anybody verify this comment on this photo stating this?
JetPhotos.Net Photo » G-DLCH (CN: 30040) Flyglobespan Boeing 737-8Q8 by Matt - Capital Aviation Photography

Does anybody know if GSM is keeping G-CDKT?

Are the talks at MME still ongoing?

I'm placing a bet on them going bust if they have a bloody crew base for THAT level of flying. That's insane. No winter flying and THREE flights a week during the summer??? Heathrow yes obviously for the Air India contract but Gatwick has nothing after next week either !

I think the questioner was keen to have a crew base that involved F L Y I N G.

As for That's mainly because that a Hell of a lot of the guys that joined to fly from near home in Scotland got screwed over and left !(). It seems that only foreign contract pilots will touch them now.

GSM in Manchester are doing very well by all accounts. Alot less delays (it woudl seem) than last year, not as many other airlines brought in to do their own flights.

Also the loads on every flight (bar the MAN-DUB-YVR ones as its a duel pickup) have been very high or Full. With the demise of Zoom, GSM are now one of two Sch'd carriers to Canada. As far as im aware Air Transat is the only other out of MAN.

GSM once again, like they did with the CPT route, are makin money here.

GSM finally starting to get it right? :rolleyes:

Thomas Cook (TCX) is also a major player on the Manchester - Canada routes.

Cheers, SHED.

Not that well, after today they have no flights until April 2009. Thats five months with no flights at a crew base? What am I missing here?

Skippy

Bet away,Pal. You know the old addage, "A fool & his money...." Post the link here if you can access it then we can all have a go.

If you think we are sitting around MAN on full pay with no flying then you are considerably thicker than you appear in your posts.

The MAN based crews are being used on the Air Callin ACMI contract in Noumea & BZZ-ASI-MPA MoD run & supplement the Air India operations ex-LHR with an occasional SFB on the 757 to keep in check.

The LHR & LGW crews operate on primarily the Air India ops & will supplement the BZZ work, although I believe a few volunteered for a 2 month stint in Noumea & the odd 757 trip.

Your question "...what am I missing here?" I would say brains, commercial accumen & an insight into long haul airline & ACMI operations.

Now would you like to have a pop at us over anything else or have you had enough of looking like an ignorant?

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4567

Re: 737 to YVR!?

I don't think it went to YVR as it isn't the correct flight number. GSM 940 doesn't 'ring any bells' as an ex-MAN departure so it may be a 'feeder'.

I know the 757 did YHM-YVR (posn) YVR-YYC-KEF-GLA(?) because 'FG & 'PT were both at LTN for scheduled maintenance. 'FG being late out of the hangar.

I've been on post trip days off, SEP & CRM groundschool refresher & requested days off, so I haven't been flying or in the office recently.

I believe Air Comet have been doing sub's for us & 'PT is now operating on the Falklands contract for us.

A 737 was indeed used on one of the legs for pax from/to YVR. I think it was GLA-LGW-GLA and DUB-MAN-DUB, etc .......... It has never taken pax to West Coast Canada!:ugh:

This is a first, GSM are using an Air Comet A310 inbound from YVR to MAN ( according to reports).
Tommy Cook operates a DAILY service from MAN to Pearson (YYZ) & multiple departures on A330 to YVR & YYC, Monarch also do the odd Calgary,so no, GSM & Transat are not the only operators from MAN to Canada by a long way.

Well Globespan were great today. They changed their flight schedule but failed to tell anyone about it including their own handling company staff! BRS flight moved to the afternoon - pax not told either.

At least the 752 is sitting in BRS so you know your still going!

Think the CAA are actually in discussions over GSMs future?

Mr A-Tis, I think you will find it's a third.....We used Air Comet A310 to & from SFB this weekend!
It's because FG is still in Maintenance in LTN


Elsewhere:
Re CAA; Old news......They were last January!
Would imagine it's ongoing. GSM have done everything they were asked to.

PS. Betting page is back up.

PPS. Still trading....Quelle surprise!
LJ

The B752 went to GLA this morning to operate the SFB flight, a B73H coming from GLA to operate YHM

4567 So you reckon the CAA are in talks about GSM's future, why? because the Independant says so? and Paddy Powers betting so? all this being based on the loss of last year?

This is the problem with our press at the moment, being the largest advertising media in the world they have the power to cause the demise of any company they wish just by swaying public confidence, N'Rock, Bradford and Bingley, etc etc...... and now they're running out of banks to kill they're moving to airlines.

This report was bullishy defendend by TD today in the scotsman here's the link:

Flyglobespan dismisses talk of collapse - Scotsman.com Business

It seems our press and others on here get a kick out saying 'I told you so' and 'its about time.' Yes I work for GSM, no not in management, so I to only know what I see, read, and choose to believe. My livelihood and that of hundreds of others relies on GSM's survival, so I wish everyone on here would stop bitching, speading un-true and un-founded rumours, and try and support the industry we have a passion about. Try and use our time to help those from XL and Zoom find new jobs rather than waste out time trying to put others in the doll queue!!

Last year for GSM was last year, they have tried to move on a build a stronger a better Airline for all, changes don't happen over night, but this summer has been much improved over last year, so can last years, old news grudge holders just move on too.

One thing to remember is if GSM do return to profit this year which seems likely they have the loss of last year to offset there tax bill and build their war chest for the future and with not debt to service from that loss I think that stands them in good shape!!!!!

Flyglobespan appears to be a shining example of responsible management. From the Scotsman:
But Flyglobespan chairman Tom Dalrymple yesterday told The Scotsman: "Unlike other airlines who have gone under, Flyglobespan has no debt.

"On the contrary, we have significant cash assets built up over many years of successful trading and, in addition, we have substantial property assets at home and abroad. We also have a proven business plan."

What a refreshing change from other businesses (airlines and others), whose management siphon all profits and assets out of the company during good times, leaving nothing there to enable the company to survive the hard times.

Yea its good now, in the past different story especially when it was TD taking it on himself.
Nowadays though things are much better and i think for these people who are betting on GSM going bust, it might be a wasted bet! :ok:

It so badly does not bother them that Pprune is not available on the internet in Colinton.

For one reason and one reason only i dont want them to go bust.

Weve got a court case coming up to screw the B******S

Bit like they screwed us last year.

and no i wont get over it until they pay up what they owe us..

Thanks for that So bascially the Manchester base and Gatwick base don't really fly routes from either airport most of the time, that's the bit I was missing. Now I understand. However I do stand by my point that the times that Globespan have flown from England, outside the long established ( Worldways / Air Transat previous operators ) leisure routes to Canada they have had to walk away. The questioner was keen to see Globespan flying the sun routes out of Manchester, I stand by my point that commercially I don't believe this will happen. Oddly enough I am a business analyst, commercial data analytics pays my wages so I disagree that I lack commercial acumen.

There is a lot of bitterness on this rather long and rambling thread. No disrespect was intended. I generally manage to disagree without resorting to name calling and throwing toys from the pram. Pontius if you are *really* a professional pilot, I would moderate my language.

My commercial acumen tells me the company has descended into dysfunctional bitterness. Frankly if I was a betting man, I'd put the money on now if that's the atititude of the "people" that are involved in this firm.

Chickenstrips

I tried exactly the same but the supervisor on the UK phone number for PaddyPower wouldn't take my bet either... suprise! Suprise!

Skippy

I apologise if you thought I was 'name calling', however I find it very hard to comprehend how 'someone' who claims to be an educated analyst can continue to have problems understanding a passage of text stated 3 times unless it is due to sheer incredulation at the fact. If that is the case, then that 'someone' needs a little guidance in the composition of an airline's structure & everyday operational role. When confronted with an opportunity for 'subjective enlightenment' that 'someone' should accept the bearer's comments in good faith & cease to ask the same question especially when it receives the same response.

You see, Skippy, I don't know what type of office you work in or the capabilities of the team you work with, but in my working 'office', our teams regard effective, simplistic & efficient communication as the norm' & even when working in flight decks comprising 3 or 4 non-english (as a first language) speaking crew members, & leading a team comprising up to 10 differant nationalities, I have never, ever, ever had to repeat myself twice in over 23 years of flying passengers around the globe.

To GSM 'knockers' in general, TD's statement says it all. GSM is debt free, cash rich & secure. However, GSM isn't vulnerable to shareholders obligations, isn't fazed by adverse comments of a sensationalist, 'scaremongering obsessed', largely ignorant London-based press & is going to be around for a long,long time. I suggest you adapt to this 'revelation'.

To those who were victims of GSM's 'annus horribilis' last year, then I sympathise. It is scant consolation, I know, but the passengers I've carried this season from MAN, DUB, BFS & GLA have passed on generally very favourable comments & frequently asked why GSM hadn't advertised the services, particularly ex-MAN & DUB, more.

To our supporters, colleagues & satisfied customers a big THANK YOU!
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Chickenstrips

Lets just say that when you employ over a hundred people you dont get away with 30 days consultation, its 90 days.

its all in the hands of the union and the solicitors.

So please dont go bust...

Pontious

Yes obviously you work for them, were you also one of the flight deck that called them fit to burn when we did the cape towns.

Not one person had a good word for them, now they got thru the summer with one less delay your all having a fanfare.

At the end of the day they will grab any contract anywhere and shaft anyone that doesnt agree.. enjoy..

Confirmed Must Ride............Re BRS today.

Mmmmm??????? Dont where you got your info from, the Handling Company did know about the schedule change today. :=

Handling staff were on shift in the morning for the arrival YHM/DUB/BRS. Also midday for the departure.:ok:

Reference to the two B767 on maintenance at Luton "FG" & "PT".
"FG" originally due out today off "C" check ready for BZZ-ASI-MPA MoD run.
However due to findings on "C" check it will now not be operating said contract for a few weeks.
It is now due out of LTN on Friday, when it will position to MAN for further work to be carried out.
Due to this "PT" positioned into LTN for work to be carried out so it can cover for "FG" on the BZZ-ASI-MPA MoD run for a few weeks.
I guess this is why sub charters have taken place over the weekend.:ok:

Hi

Can anyone tell me what the GLA-SFB will be operating on tomorrow. I have friends travelling on the service and seen that today's was routed via bangor.

Just interested as I know from seating plans it was supposed to be the 767 going I seen them down in LTN today and not too sure what is happening.

Cheers in adavance for any help!

Skipness..:D:D:D:D:D

Just as well you have nothing to do with them then Skipness :)

Jet2 now launched Edinburgh-Dusseldorf major expansion on there part at EDI.

Whatever happened to that agreement between the companies to not compete on the same routes or overload each others bases or was that just a muchual agreement for a while?

To Hunters....I got the info from the member of staff standing at the desk who turned up at 0700 expecting to check in passengers. The airport management on duty also said of their surprise as did the passengers who duly turned up at check-in for 0745..oh yes and the security company who were ready to set up after confirming with GS that the flight was operating at normal times.

I am not knocking the flight crew in anyway who I am sure run a very good, safe and secure operation. It just seems a shame that they lack support from the people behind the scenes.

The same happened 2 weeks previous.

I am sure that all the customers who turned up ( that were not informed of the schedule change) were all advised of their rights as per EU261..??? Guess not

Lets face it. The U.K. aviation industry would be a much happier and professional place without Flyglobespan! fact.

Oh PLEASE! :rolleyes: Some people don't have post a load of b*ll*cks on here! :ugh: