BA Euroflyer

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[vectisman]

Mainline will operate Glasgow and Manchester daily flights mainly for long haul connections but domestic sectors can be booked. Aircraft operate MAN-LGW-MAN-LHR and
GLAS-LGW-GLAS-LHR I think. Glasgow is already operating, Manchester begins next Sunday.

[22/04]

Callsign Eurobird? ( not really serious)

[vectisman]

I suspect the callsign will simply be 'Euroflyer.'

[Flyingsince99]

With crew in training now, and crew already qualified, I wonder what will happen to them.

Since the initial operation is going to take place with mainline and wet leased aircraft, and Euroflyer not “officially” taking over until Autumn 22, how will this work for the crew already employed by Euroflyer?

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by vectisman

I suspect the callsign will simply be 'Euroflyer.'

Way too close to "Flyer" BA/CFE at London City. It might even be "Speedbird", GSS got to use that as well as Mainline.

I mean given how quickly leisure is coming back, BALPA must be kicking themselves. The notion that BA would actually have closed LGW short haul and walked away was a negotiating tactic which has opened the door to all new A320 expansion bypassing mainline BA. And why not operate LGW-xyz-LHR-xyz-LGW on a "W" pattern, they've opened the door wide open....

The notion that "LGW short haul never made money" after years of claiming the opposite just shows what a shower of chancers there are at Waterworld.

The ONLY reason MAN-LGW is coming back at all is to feed LGW-ISB, which will last as long as it takes for PIA to be allowed back into the UK.

[Richard Taylor]

Can't they use Cityflyer for LCY, & Euroflyer for LGW? Or is that too obvious? Assuming no-one else already uses Cityflyer somewhere?

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by Richard Taylor

Can't they use Cityflyer for LCY, & Euroflyer for LGW? Or is that too obvious? Assuming no-one else already uses Cityflyer somewhere?

ATC wouldn't be happy at the high % of callsign confusion in London airspace with two incredibly similar callsigns across two different companies, albeit both BA.

[Vokes55]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

The ONLY reason MAN-LGW is coming back at all is to feed LGW-ISB, which will last as long as it takes for PIA to be allowed back into the UK.

As has been mentioned many times, BA don’t care a jot what PIA does. You seem to be obsessed with direct flights, whether it’s Bangkok, Pakistan or wherever. The majority of U.K.-Pak traffic is funnelled through the Middle East and is painfully low yielding. LGW-ISB will be around until they have a better, more reliable income source for the aircraft.

Whether MAN-LGW remains will probably depend on how much traffic they get connecting onto the Caribbean/Florida routes.

Back in the day MAN-LGW was simply a crew shuttle for the vast amount of charter operators that would have their two largest bases in LGW and MAN with W-patterns everywhere. Unfortunately the new schedule is of little use for crew positioning, particularly southbound. And of course, most of those operators and W-patterns have long since gone.

[USERNAME_]

Originally Posted by Flyingsince99

With crew in training now, and crew already qualified, I wonder what will happen to them.

Since the initial operation is going to take place with mainline and wet leased aircraft, and Euroflyer not “officially” taking over until Autumn 22, how will this work for the crew already employed by Euroflyer?

I understand your question, I too am curious. But they won’t be just sitting around until August.
They will probably just work alongside the mainline crew, or just crew Euroflyer aircraft and work alongside the others until EF is ready to fully “takeover”.

[vectisman]

I believe Euroflyer crews will be operating from next week. They may have to wet lease with the initial ramp up of services in May or maybe not.
I believe the AOC was granted a few days ago. It will become clearer next week. You can rest assured no crew will be sitting around until August.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by Vokes55

LGW-ISB will be around until they have a better, more reliable income source for the aircraft.

Which to state the obvious, will be the very day the flag carrier of Pakistan returns to market and what traffic BA currently had, reverts to tribal loyalties! Am not arguing for the sake of arguing, it's not as if this hasn't happened before!

[Vokes55]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

Which to state the obvious, will be the very day the flag carrier of Pakistan returns to market and what traffic BA currently had, reverts to tribal loyalties! Am not arguing for the sake of arguing, it's not as if this hasn't happened before!

I’d say it’s more likely to be the very day that Virgin comes off the route (which may well be the day that PIA returns). BA’s obsession with home grown competitors will keep their hat in that particular ring. However the fact they’re willing to move it to LGW just to keep the route on the highest density aircraft shows how little interest BA have in ISB and how poor the yields are. Made even worse now of course by the closure of more direct routings through Afghanistan and now Russia.

MAN-LGW will remain as long as Virgin offer MAN-ISB, unless it miraculously generates a load of MAN-LGW-Carib/FL demand. A shame really, especially as “direct” trains from Gatwick to Manchester have since ceased too.

[vectisman]

Just a thought but maybe the general British Airways discussion should be on the British Airways thread, leaving this one for BA Euroflyer news and views.

[USERNAME_]

Liftoff this morning, with GATM to LCA and GATU to AMS

[Charley B]

Speedbird callsign being used on the AMS to LGW as I type

[canadairjet900]

Euroflyer salary?

I am wondering what salary conditions will have euroflyer captains. Does anyone has any idea?
Thank you.

[USERNAME_]

Interesting to see that the morning AMS inbound pax are almost all connecting onto Florida, Caribbean and the Canaries.

A quick look at a dummy booking AMS-MCO and BA consistently comes out on top with a considerable price difference via LGW.

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by USERNAME_

Interesting to see that the morning AMS inbound pax are almost all connecting onto Florida, Caribbean and the Canaries.

A quick look at a dummy booking AMS-MCO and BA consistently comes out on top with a considerable price difference via LGW.

Ironic that the rest of the country is flying to AMS for onward connections...

[Wycombe]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Ironic that the rest of the country is flying to AMS for onward connections...

Aside from VIR, BAW and EUK from the UK, the only other european airlines flying into MCO are DLH, EIN and ICE (via KEF)

Seems to be a gap for KLM when you consider the size of their US and Carribean network out of AMS