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Old 14th Feb 2023, 17:53
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From what I hear, the ex-Level/Vueling COO is at the heart of all of these problems. I don't hear anything positive there, but Flight Ops seems to be operating in tandem with the mothership much more closely than Cabin Services. CC rosters are awful and the other problem is that commission at BAEF is much lower than you would get at easyJet - so many have left eJ for BAEF and then gone back again after a couple of rosters and a couple of pay packets. They'll not manage to crew A321s at this rate.
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Old 14th Feb 2023, 19:03
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Surely this situation needs to be sorted quickly! Planes are full and yield I hear is good so time to move someone on or out.
Surely paying decent commission, giving food and having reasonable roosters is about good management and building a happy team.
I can't believe BA management will allow this mess to continue with the summer season approaching for the sake of a few pounds!
Surely someone must realise this has been going on for too long!

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Old 14th Feb 2023, 20:06
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Originally Posted by USERNAME_
Agree with everything you say. Unfortunately it continues. The “meeting” that took place yesterday shows we are HUGELY undercrewed, and that rosters going forward into March and April will only get worse before they get better.
I’m not sure how the current 6/2 pattern with 7 minimum days off per month can get any worse.
im sad to read this. The 6 on 2 off were always part of the plan which is fair enough but, it was said in the beginning that it would be done in a worst case scenario. Now it seems like it’s the norm which really isn’t fair.
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Old 14th Feb 2023, 21:46
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Out of interest, how does EZY and FR cabin crew rostering compare to BAEF?
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 13:33
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"I can't believe BA management will allow this mess to continue with the summer season approaching for the sake of a few pounds!"

It's all about "a few pounds" as far as management are concerned
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 17:25
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I know IAG like to move executives around the group but the LEVEL / Vueling influence is not encouraging.

I remember many years ago before Alex Cruz moved to BA, there was a quote from him in an internal BA news article that Vueling’s 40% attrition rate for crew was “by design”.

The fact that BA thought to put this in an internal communication obviously went down badly with crew at the time.
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 13:42
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Just back from a round trip to Malta from Gatwick on the recently "transferred" A321s. Great flight and top crew. Even better was the Gatwick South Terminal arrival experience. Starting to favour this over Heathrow T5 now.

Anyway, with 2 x A321s now in the fleet so far and a slowly increasing build up to the summer schedule, are things improving at BAEF? I see BA are leasing in 3 x Avion Express A320s for the peak summer season, i guess this will help out with crewing levels, perhaps whilst they continue to recruit and train for their own metal.

with 5 x more shorthaul config A321ceos still currently stored in MAD, I guess if the operation continues to be successful and passenger numbers increase then all of the BA 321ceos would transfer over to LGW.
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 14:07
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I see BA are leasing in 3 x Avion Express A320s for the peak summer season, i guess this will help out with crewing levels, perhaps whilst they continue to recruit and train for their own metal.

Do we know how many months they will be leasing in the Avion express A320's and for what routes are they going to operate.


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Old 15th Mar 2023, 15:36
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I keep hearing rumours amongst flight crew that some of the aircraft will be based in UK regions.
Anyone else?
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 15:48
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Originally Posted by fjencl
Do we know how many months they will be leasing in the Avion express A320's and for what routes are they going to operate.
Between May/June and September. I presume like previous leases they will be used on any mix of A320 routes, rather than any set of specific routes.

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I keep hearing rumours amongst flight crew that some of the aircraft will be based in UK regions.
Anyone else?
i'd say highly unlikely considering the lack of aircraft and crew... if anything they could operate charters or high-peak scheduled routes for short periods like BA Cityflyer and even mainline do AKA - MAN-IBZ etc... However, i'd say the regions are currently well covered for the types of route they'd probably offer.
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 15:55
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Thanks, that's what I thought too. 👍
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 16:46
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Interestingly, BA are temporarily moving NUE/PSA/VLC from Heathrow to Gatwick in early April.

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Old 16th Mar 2023, 00:53
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Originally Posted by nguba
Interestingly, BA are temporarily moving NUE/PSA/VLC from Heathrow to Gatwick in early April.

https://twitter.com/londonairtravel/...9nzZ0zwTbRWkkw
Interesting, although i'd expect these to be crewed and operated by mainline crews now from Heathrow. Again, another reason the seperation of the base into a subsidiary is such a mess - having crews that wont be able to operate on esch others aircraft of "the same airline".

I'm hazarding a guess that this temporary move is to help alleviate the ground handling staffing issues at Heathrow.
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Old 16th Mar 2023, 09:03
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29 March to 10 April also happens to be most of the Easter school holidays…
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It would be good if they could operate to the Mediterranean from Manchester as though there are many flights to that area from Manchester by the likes of Jet 2 they keep all the best slots and times for their holiday business now and you end up flying early morning and late night as a result.

As there are quite a few people with properties down that way I think they would be pleasantly surprised at the take up.

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Old 16th Mar 2023, 14:56
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It would be good if they could operate to the Mediterranean from Manchester as though there are many flights to that area from Manchester by the likes of Jet 2 they keep all the best slots and times for their holiday business now and you end up flying early morning and late night as a result.

As there are quite a few people with properties down that way I think they would be pleasantly surprised at the take up.

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Cityflyer operated several seasons of quasi charters then upped sticks to Southampton and Edinburgh; they have no intention of serving the regions again . When City gets their Saturday extension even those programmes will be cancelled.


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Old 17th Mar 2023, 22:01
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Originally Posted by Cazza_fly
Just back from a round trip to Malta from Gatwick on the recently "transferred" A321s. Great flight and top crew. Even better was the Gatwick South Terminal arrival experience. Starting to favour this over Heathrow T5 now.

Anyway, with 2 x A321s now in the fleet so far and a slowly increasing build up to the summer schedule, are things improving at BAEF? I see BA are leasing in 3 x Avion Express A320s for the peak summer season, i guess this will help out with crewing levels, perhaps whilst they continue to recruit and train for their own metal.

with 5 x more shorthaul config A321ceos still currently stored in MAD, I guess if the operation continues to be successful and passenger numbers increase then all of the BA 321ceos would transfer over to LGW.
Glad to hear you enjoyed your flights with us!
We are hoping the Avion aircraft take the pressure off somewhat, however Heathrow have been operating a large chunk of flying recently and that too helped, although I don’t expect they will be able to keep up that level through the summer (One day last week, 15 of 23 flights were LHR cabin crew).
Crewing levels are still wholly unacceptable, while they claim to have “fixed” the 6/2 problem, many crew still continue to find themselves operating 6 in a row, EasyJet, Norse Atlantic and Virgin just sent out new rounds of training start dates, and I believe around 50/60, yes you read that correctly, are on their way out of here to those airlines by the time May rolls around, which is the biggest issue we will face, especially Norse, almost everybody who started at EF pre-Summer 2022, who came from other airlines and are considered experienced, are on their way to Norse.
Add to this the fact that recruitment has sloped off lately, with less and less people coming through the door.
But things are slowly improving, very very slowly, at times it often feels like 1 step forward and 2 steps backwards, but we’ll get there.
In terms of flying, it’s clear to see changes in terms of rostering, since last month. The issue now lays with the crewing numbers, if they can’t fill the gap now opened up by the crew leaving for EZY/Titan/Virgin/Norse, I fear we might find ourselves in the same position as before.

Originally Posted by Cazza_fly
crews that wont be able to operate on esch others aircraft of "the same airline".
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Thankfully we still have a number of BA AOC aircraft down here, and a group of EF cabin crew who are still qualified to fly on it, so LHR crew can be chopped and changed in and out at the pleasure of the crewing gods.
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Old 26th Mar 2023, 12:40
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Euroflyer operated flights today departing with EFW callsigns, instead of BAW.
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Old 31st Mar 2023, 14:53
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Don’t know who we p*ssed off, but the CAA are lurking and boarding almost daily now for past week.

Cabin crew interrogations and failure to supply suitable answers are too, unfortunately, daily.
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Old 16th Apr 2023, 21:21
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GATR staying in Antalya overnight after yet another flight deck smoke emergency. We must be setting some sort of record at this point, unfortunately.
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