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Old 19th Mar 2022, 15:18
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BA Euroflyer

Since it’s a separate airline, I guess, like CF it warrants its own thread.

Aside from them being granted their AOC earlier this month, and their huge recruitment campaign, it all seems fairly quiet.

Any more ideas on aircraft? Jethros seems to reckon there are some wet leased EC registered aircraft on their way.

Doesnt seem to be any “official” Euroflyer recognition yet, booking BA flights from LGW for the summer doesn’t offer up any kind of “Operated by BA Euroflyer” notes.
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Old 19th Mar 2022, 16:30
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Operations begin on Tuesday 29th March with 3 based aircraft initially ramping up to 18 by end of May. I know there is a BA press event in the BA lounge on March 29th in the South Terminal. Flights to 9 winter destinations were released late January with hopefully more to come soon.
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Old 19th Mar 2022, 17:47
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Somebody did mention a while back that Smart Lynx aircraft will be used on a wet lease for BA Euroflyer, not sure if this is happening, or indeed how many
aircraft were coming over from Smart Lynx to be used at LGW.
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BA have enough aircraft. It’s just taking a while to get all the crews trained for Mainline, Euroflyer and indeed Cityflyer. After two years of the pandemic it will take a while to get everything up and running. Hence some short term wet leases may be possible. The main shortage is more cabin crew than pilots.
I am confident that the inaugurals for Euroflyer will use BA aircraft especially with all the press covering the event.
TUI, Jet 2 are also having to lease in planes to cope with demand and training issues.
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Old 19th Mar 2022, 20:05
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Originally Posted by vectisman
Operations begin on Tuesday 29th March with 3 based aircraft initially ramping up to 18 by end of May. I know there is a BA press event in the BA lounge on March 29th in the South Terminal. Flights to 9 winter destinations were released late January with hopefully more to come soon.
Not quite, that's BA mainline I believe, on behalf of new loco. Do they even have an ICAO code and callsign yet?
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Old 19th Mar 2022, 20:16
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The AOC was granted earlier this month. Hopefully more will become clear on the weeks ahead.
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I am surprised at the number of airliens supposedly wet leasing from questionable p2f (depending on your definitions of queationable and p2f) airlines such as smartlynx, if only the customers knew who they had in charge of their safety
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I was under the impression that the G-GATx aircraft currently operating from LHR would be returning “home” to fly for Euroflyer.

They’ve had trained cabin crew sat around since January, and near weekly training courses this month and next, so hopefully no wet leasing will be required if they are starting with just 3 aircraft.
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I think the issue is lack of flight deck crew. The terms and conditions are the worst in the group (again) as well as simulator time to get folk back up to speed as the business ramps up. Just look at the operational chaos on the ground at T5 today to see how badly affected airlines are when staff leave and can't be replace at the drop of a hat.

Only 6/10 G-GAT* A320s have been kept active, the other 4 have been long term stored. Indeed of those 6, 2 are recent returns.
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They have the flight crew but it is correct to say that it is taking time to complete all necessary training.
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Old 20th Mar 2022, 04:53
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As Skipness alludes to above, at the moment BA has more of a problem building operational resilience at Heathrow over the weekends. At the moment lack of ground staff is causing issues. This partly due to Covid absence but also simply staff shortages.
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The situation on the ground at Gatwick is better at the moment. Gatwick Ground Services (BA Ground Handling Subsidiary)have been pro-active in recruiting since last November/December in readiness for Summer 2022. Admittedly the BA long haul operation is far smaller than the LHR but it seems to be running smoothly.
I think companies of all types at Gatwick have been able to recruit fairly successfully as the surrounding area was badly affected by the impact of Covid on employment. Recent job fairs were also well attended.
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Old 20th Mar 2022, 10:00
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What would they say at a press conference launching the 'new' carrier?

Welcome to our exact same service, to the exact same destinations, by aircraft in the same colours, with same staff in the same uniform albeit we now pay them considerably less and this is all provided by our terrible IT system which we've neglected for a decade?
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It is probably more likely to publicise the resumption of short haul services from Gatwick and the re-opening of the lounges.
Personally, and I am beyond caring what others may think, I hope the resumption of short haul from Gatwick is a success for the all the staff involved.
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So do I! I just think they used the covid pandemic as an excuse to cut T&Cs rather than address the real issues.

I think Gatwick's ops suffered because of the legacy of the 'Cruz' missile and his misguided actions whilst in charge.
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CC hired on cheaper contracts, however still unionised with BASSA, so I think it’s safe to assume the contracts won’t get any worse, or might even improve slightly as time goes on.

EDIT: Hired through an agency though, might I add.
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British Airways hire both directly and through recruitment agencies but once recruited they are BA employees.
For example, all BA Euroflyer jobs were advertised on the BA Careers pages and also with the aviation recruitment agency One Resourcing.
I know Gatwick Ground Services also use One Resourcing.
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cavokblues, I believe that Gatwick short haul operations were cut back in 2020 partly due to travel restrictions but mainly to protect Heathrow slots.
Thankfully it has been recognised that they do need to have a presence at Gatwick to stop some of the competition having it all their own way and also because Heathrow
will once again become slot restricted in the future. Gatwick is also a cheaper airport to operate from with leisure and VFR traffic being more price sensitive. Premium Economy and Club Europe
cabins do well on most routes. And, before anyway says, those sales are not all seat redemptions either!
Hopefully, as travel returns to greater normality, the BA Euroflyer network will be expanded. I would even like to see some more domestics returning. I simply don't believe the Edinburgh route, for example,
couldn't support a couple of flights a day, even post Covid. We shall have to wait and see. Interesting times ahead hopefully!
Developments will also depend on how much operational freedom BA Euroflyer is really allowed.
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Is there any news on who will be operating the domestic flights? Last I heard, mainline were going to restart LGW-MAN & GLA.
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Originally Posted by HOVIS
Is there any news on who will be operating the domestic flights? Last I heard, mainline were going to restart LGW-MAN & GLA.
Looking at the schedule, the flights are operated out of MAN and GLA so I would assume it’s mainline using nightstopping LHR crew.
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