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Old 25th Feb 2022, 10:05
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Meanwhile the EU is still welcoming Russian flights
No surprise there.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 10:21
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Meanwhile the EU is still welcoming Russian flights
Im not surprised, without getting political, the EU was designed to secure peace in the west, I have never known anything so disjointed and unorganised, every destination seems to take an age, surly a fast joint announcement on the banning of flights should have happened within hours and been fully inclusive of all Nato members.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 10:34
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Moldovan airspace now closed too for safety reasons.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 10:34
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post
Im not surprised, without getting political, the EU was designed to secure peace in the west, I have never known anything so disjointed and unorganised, every destination seems to take an age, surly a fast joint announcement on the banning of flights should have happened within hours and been fully inclusive of all Nato members.
NATO doesn't make laws so far as I can see. And naturally because the EU consists of 27 independent nations (a fact overlooked by some) it will always take longer to come to a compromise. Any of those independent states can take unilateral action should they so wish but the EU wants to show unity, hence, I suspect, the delay.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 12:45
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ATNotts has just given 27 good reasons why the proposed EU army would never work. Meanwhile the U.K. bans Aeroflot while the EU has to consult 27 members. Reminds me of the early days EU vaccination fiasco.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 13:35
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
ATNotts has just given 27 good reasons why the proposed EU army would never work. Meanwhile the U.K. bans Aeroflot while the EU has to consult 27 members. Reminds me of the early days EU vaccination fiasco.
Agreed. Mind you, the whole 'Western' response seems odd. It could hardly have come as a huge surprise and you'd have thought they would have planned for the different scenarios and agreed what they were going to do in advance and then just rolled it out...
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 14:56
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
ATNotts has just given 27 good reasons why the proposed EU army would never work. Meanwhile the U.K. bans Aeroflot while the EU has to consult 27 members. Reminds me of the early days EU vaccination fiasco.
Arguably, although of course they ended up overtaking us on vaccines. Slightly different dynamics though, we’re about 3% Russian gas whereas some in EU are more or less 100%. On the other hand they seem better at hitting individuals, whereas we’ve been weak (not hard to see the politics of why) with cross-party calls to do more.

An EU airspace ban for Russia would be much more effective though…ours is a minor inconvenience. Theirs would be devastating.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 15:39
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Just hearing Poland and Czech Republic are to close Airspace to Russian aircraft as from 23:59 tonight Friday 25th February.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 21:48
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The Uk has now banned all Russian private jets from its airspace.
(from RT News).
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 22:25
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And Bulgaria have also joined Czechia and Poland
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 23:44
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Meanwhile the EU is still welcoming Russian flights
Meanwhile the EU member states make sure that their citizens don't get stuck in Russia and give them time to get out. These "Russian" flights are full of people trying to get out. It is not Russian oligarchs or tourists on a shopping tour in Munich or Geneva.

Sometimes I despair with comments on here.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 23:46
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Countries have been advising their citizens to leave for weeks and flights are still operating for bordering countries.
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 05:30
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The Russian people are subject to the state propaganda machine so most seem to support the war due to a distorted view of events. If the Russian people are to be impacted by sanctions I can’t see how Russian airlines should be allowed to take its citizens on nice little EU holidays to the beach while Ukraine is occupied.
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 06:34
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The Russian people are subject to the state propaganda machine so most seem to support the war due to a distorted view of events. If the Russian people are to be impacted by sanctions I can’t see how Russian airlines should be allowed to take its citizens on nice little EU holidays to the beach while Ukraine is occupied.
On the other hand, you could argue that the more Russians citizens who are exposed to opinions other than the viewpoint of the state-controlled Russian media, the better for the world.
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 06:44
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post
The UK has now banned all Russian private jets from its airspace.
(from RT News).
Correct - yesterday's NOTAM has now been amended to remove the "on a scheduled service" qualification. It continues to apply to any aircraft of any type (not just jets).
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 07:43
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On the other hand, you could argue that the more Russians citizens who are exposed to opinions other than the viewpoint of the state-controlled Russian media, the better for the world.
Generally, I doubt it. Over 20 years ago to my EU town came an immigrant from Russia. Being able to listen to our "Western" news she dos not believe a word. Her recent viewpoint: "I am so glad that Putin is putting an end to injustice in Ukraine now, will remove Nazis and save Russians from the hands of Ukrainian murderers". I'm not sure if a short holiday on Canaries would do anything better to re-shape such opinions.

Btw. Only four countries in the world have banned Russian flights by now. Is it enough?
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 07:46
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Generally, I doubt it. Over 20 years ago to my EU town came an immigrant from Russia. Being able to listen to our "Western" news she dos not believe a word. Her recent viewpoint: "I am so glad that Putin is putting an end to injustice in Ukraine now, will remove Nazis and save Russians". I'm not sure if a short holiday on Canaries would do anything better to re-shape such opinions.

Btw. Only four countries in the world have banned Russian flights by now. Is it enough?
The EU is now banning the supply and leasing of aircraft to Russia. According to reports this could mean they lose half the planes operating in Russia at the moment.
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 07:55
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Excellent news. Assume this means that any leased aircraft operating outside Russia will be at risk of being impounded?
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 08:12
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
On the other hand, you could argue that the more Russians citizens who are exposed to opinions other than the viewpoint of the state-controlled Russian media, the better for the world.
Other languages aren’t widely spoken in Russia. So in theory yes, in reality no because they aren’t going to be watching or reading.
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Old 26th Feb 2022, 10:31
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Estonia 🇪🇪 has joined the list of countries banning Russian aircraft from its airspace.
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