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From: Blighty
Internet chatter of some A380s being used on short haul routes (possibly FRA and MAD) within Europe in November to get crew familiar with aircraft again, prior to longhaul use. Any concrete and verifiable details ?
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From: Hawarden (near EGNR)
BA to bring A380s out of long term storage
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From: London Whipsnade Wildlife Park
Makes sense, Iberia have been operating A350 and A 330-300s for many months into Heathrow and Madrid was a destination that has been used for crew training and now famil before.
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From: London
No disrespect but Iberia has operated at least one daily flight (usually the 6/7pm) with a widebody DC10/A300 since the seventies specifically to connect with South America and for cargo.
Now use of the 388 to get hours upto to speed is certainly a welcome move.
Now use of the 388 to get hours upto to speed is certainly a welcome move.
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From: The EU
Rutan16
There’s no ‘and’ about it, it’s entirely for the cargo. Mainly fresh food. So much cargo that baggage is often left behind and sent on another flight, freeing up the entire hold of the wide-body for cargo.
A lack of direct BA flights to South/Central America and a reduced schedule through MIA is the reason for multiple wide-bodies on LHR-MAD during Covid times.
There’s no ‘and’ about it, it’s entirely for the cargo. Mainly fresh food. So much cargo that baggage is often left behind and sent on another flight, freeing up the entire hold of the wide-body for cargo.
A lack of direct BA flights to South/Central America and a reduced schedule through MIA is the reason for multiple wide-bodies on LHR-MAD during Covid times.
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From: london
Result of Alex Cruz scorched earth policy at the start of the pandemic. Scrapped 31 perfectly good 747 aircraft which were not due for retirement until 2024. All the wide bodied fleets are working flat out at the moment, with the exception of the A380 which are slowly being reintroduced. There are no spare wide bodied airframes at the moment. With USA opening up next month something has to give.
BAs current performance is nothing short of abysmal. Their punctuality stats ex LHR are appalling.
The current Heathrow management team is shambolic no structure no leader no direction.
Sean Doyle has been in charge now for just short of 1 year and has yet to put his footprint on the direction he wants to go. He inherited a real
fest from Cruz but can’t hide behind that and COVID for ever. At some point he needs to make some sort of statement and action. Ultimately he is CEO and is the one who is accountable for the complete mess at LHR.
BAs current performance is nothing short of abysmal. Their punctuality stats ex LHR are appalling.
The current Heathrow management team is shambolic no structure no leader no direction.
Sean Doyle has been in charge now for just short of 1 year and has yet to put his footprint on the direction he wants to go. He inherited a real
fest from Cruz but can’t hide behind that and COVID for ever. At some point he needs to make some sort of statement and action. Ultimately he is CEO and is the one who is accountable for the complete mess at LHR.
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From: UK
It also didn’t make total financial sense. I guess BAW owned all their 744s and paid for a long time ago… so no lease rates. Yes, they are fuel heavy, but it doesn’t cost much to keep them in parking / long term storage down at CWL or elsewhere. Not to say that some withdrawals would’ve been inevitable.
This problem definitely isn’t exclusive to BAW however.
This problem definitely isn’t exclusive to BAW however.
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From: The Winchester
From one website:
<<Passengers travelling from Heathrow to Nairobi with BA will be able to book connecting flights with Kenya Airways to destinations including Douala, Zanzibar, Lusaka, Mombasa, Addis Ababa and Entebbe. BA currently operates four flights a week to Nairobi using a four-class B777.>>
Is the suggestion from the team here that if BA had retained it’s 744s it would allow them to return to operating interesting “add on’s” to it’s Nairobi services instead of this code share, or is the thought that there is now enough traffic to justify the likes of Dar or Mombasa direct to/from London?
Those with long memories will know BA used to operate the 744 (and before that other long haul types ) to places such has Dar and Mombasa as extensions to the NBO services years ago and I think at much the same time the 767 did one or two dedicated non-stop services to that part of the world.
That all stopped because the economics didn’t stack up….has (potential) business increased so much that the 744 Afrika Corp
needs to be reformed, or is the code share perhaps a smarter move than we think?
<<Passengers travelling from Heathrow to Nairobi with BA will be able to book connecting flights with Kenya Airways to destinations including Douala, Zanzibar, Lusaka, Mombasa, Addis Ababa and Entebbe. BA currently operates four flights a week to Nairobi using a four-class B777.>>
Is the suggestion from the team here that if BA had retained it’s 744s it would allow them to return to operating interesting “add on’s” to it’s Nairobi services instead of this code share, or is the thought that there is now enough traffic to justify the likes of Dar or Mombasa direct to/from London?
Those with long memories will know BA used to operate the 744 (and before that other long haul types ) to places such has Dar and Mombasa as extensions to the NBO services years ago and I think at much the same time the 767 did one or two dedicated non-stop services to that part of the world.
That all stopped because the economics didn’t stack up….has (potential) business increased so much that the 744 Afrika Corp
needs to be reformed, or is the code share perhaps a smarter move than we think?
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From: Reading, UK
The team might also be surprised at just how much it does cost to keep an aircraft mothballed (in the case of BA's 747s probably for several years) in a state that would permit a potential return to service. It's not simply a question of parking it in the desert to await the breaker's axe.
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From: Durham
British Airway's A380's; G-XLEK and G-XLEA appear on FRF24 currently in Manila.
G-XLEK arrived yesterday (23rd) from Madrid as BA9171
G-XLEA is currently showing on ground at MNL , Destination unspecified (N/A)
G-XLEK arrived yesterday (23rd) from Madrid as BA9171
G-XLEA is currently showing on ground at MNL , Destination unspecified (N/A)