TUI airways-2

[LiamNCL]

Positioning back to MAN now as TOM990F

[rog747]

another TUI 787 woe

Last nights TUI 787 BY659 CUN-BRS took off at 17.28L and then quickly returned back to CUN after dumping fuel.

G-TUIE was due to ferry empty to NCL this morning -

edit G-TUID will now ferry to NCL to operate today's NCL-CUN

edit - Flaps issue again after take off from CUN - did it the other day too at Punta Cana

[azz767]

Originally Posted by rog747

Last nights TUI 787 BY659 CUN-BRS took off at 17.28L and then quickly returned back to CUN after dumping fuel.

G-TUIE was due to ferry empty to NCL this morning -

edit G-TUID will now ferry to NCL to operate today's NCL-CUN

edit - Flaps issue after take off from CUN.

that値l be a nice treat for anyone that booked premium economy!

[rog747]

No sign yet of an ACMI wide body 'sub' flying out to Cancun for their collection to get them back to Bristol...

TUI UK have 3 or 4 flights going there from the UK today - maybe some Engineers and parts being flown out>?

[Vokes55]

Originally Posted by azz767

that値l be a nice treat for anyone that booked premium economy!

Better than just canceling the flight like every other airline would.

[rog747]

Originally Posted by Vokes55

Better than just canceling the flight like every other airline would.

It's a package holiday flight, most of which almost never ever get cancelled outright, as the Tour operator, (TUI Travel here) not just the airline, has to get their folks home...

[Vokes55]

Originally Posted by rog747

It's a package holiday flight, most of which almost never ever get cancelled outright, as the Tour operator, (TUI Travel here) not just the airline, has to get their folks home...

BA and easyJet do a fairly good job of cancelling flights and leaving their customers, including those on package holidays, abroad until the next available flight, which is often days later.

My point was that if you asked those passengers whether they壇 like to depart on time but there would be no premium cabin onboard, undoubtedly 100% would say yes. Aircraft swaps happen all the time across all airlines, often a few people miss out on their preferred seats/cabin. It痴 an almost irrelevant point.

[Big Tudor]

Originally Posted by Vokes55

. Aircraft swaps happen all the time across all airlines, often a few people miss out on their preferred seats/cabin. It痴 an almost irrelevant point.

The big issue in these cases is often how the airline handles those who have missed out on pre-booked / paid for seats. A simple conversation prior to boarding to explain the situation will often (not always) appease those affected. A lot of airlines seem afraid to confront these situations and leave it to the crew to resolve, often having to calm irate passengers.

[simonwa]

Originally Posted by rog747

No sign yet of an ACMI wide body 'sub' flying out to Cancun for their collection to get them back to Bristol...

TUI UK have 3 or 4 flights going there from the UK today - maybe some Engineers and parts being flown out>?

Looks like G-TUIF is on its way now from Gatwick to Cancun to pick up the Bristol passengers. Estimating 21:38 arrival.

[oldart]

Originally Posted by simonwa

Looks like G-TUIF is on its way now from Gatwick to Cancun to pick up the Bristol passengers. Estimating 21:38 arrival.

Returning to Manchester?

[rog747]

Originally Posted by oldart

Returning to Manchester?

Yes, seems so, and then coaches for the pax onwards to BRS (Oh the Joy----> Not)

[rog747]

Originally Posted by Vokes55

BA and easyJet do a fairly good job of cancelling flights and leaving their customers, including those on package holidays, abroad until the next available flight, which is often days later.

BA Holidays and EasyJet Holidays are not as such, the ''old-fashioned package holiday'' firms like that TUI sells with a charter flight series, hence you are quite correct in saying that both BA and EZY pax on holidays who get affected by those airline's operational issues and/or cancelled flights, are not always looked after in the same way as you would be with say TUI, Sunvil, Balkan Holidays, and Mark Warner Package Holiday who still charter and control their own flights/holiday packages.

[VickersVicount]

with it clear now Sunwing airline division being dissolved by WJ next year, wonder if TUI arrangement will continue with WJ aircraft or if it will be more SmartLynx etc?

[JonnyH]

Originally Posted by VickersVicount

with it clear now Sunwing airline division being dissolved by WJ next year, wonder if TUI arrangement will continue with WJ aircraft or if it will be more SmartLynx etc?

It will be interesting. Sunwing have been a nightmare and were supposed to be gone this year for TUI, so I think they値l definitely be gone in 2024. It値l be really tricky for TUI.

S23 is already looking like it is going to be a nightmare. The Aberdeen Sunwing based aircraft is constantly delayed/cancelled (today included).

TUI have to be haemorrhaging money again.

[Markushillman]

Originally Posted by JonnyH

It will be interesting. Sunwing have been a nightmare and were supposed to be gone this year for TUI, so I think they値l definitely be gone in 2024. It値l be really tricky for TUI.

S23 is already looking like it is going to be a nightmare. The Aberdeen Sunwing based aircraft is constantly delayed/cancelled (today included).

TUI have to be haemorrhaging money again.

Certainly won't be any more Sunwing after this year. I would imagine it will be more Smartlynx to fill the summer bases of ABZ, NWI and so on

[Apron Artist]

Originally Posted by Markushillman

Certainly won't be any more Sunwing after this year. I would imagine it will be more Smartlynx to fill the summer bases of ABZ, NWI and so on

Having suffered Smartynx at Gatwick last year, I'm not convinced that that is actually a step in the right direction.

[Matt995]

Originally Posted by JonnyH

It will be interesting. Sunwing have been a nightmare and were supposed to be gone this year for TUI, so I think they’ll definitely be gone in 2024. It’ll be really tricky for TUI.

S23 is already looking like it is going to be a nightmare. The Aberdeen Sunwing based aircraft is constantly delayed/cancelled (today included).

TUI have to be haemorrhaging money again.

Well next year TUI arn't basing an aircraft at Aberdeen. I believe the Cardiff based Sunwing aircraft next year will now be an A320, so SmartLynx or Avion Express. The 2 Sunwing aircraft at Birmingham this summer havent had any major problems they actually seem more reliable than the TUI based 738s!

BHX today have had the short haul 788 parked up all day, and hence the Malaga & Larnaca flight have been split on 2 738s, one TUI, one GetJet. Also 1 other GetJet 738 has now operating for TUI from BHX for over 2 weeks, despite at one stage TUI having 2 738's parked up.

I can only presume TUI are woefully short of flight crew or cabin crew at BHX? Anyone have any confirmation of this?

[LGS6753]

Jethro's excellent website notes that TUI withdrew a 738 (TAWR) in Feb 23, and it has now been registered to Sun Country in the US. A further example has recently gone to Transavia.
Although there may be another explanation (like lease ending) it does seem odd to be withdrawing aircraft in the early months of the year only to replace them with leased equipment weeks later.
It just adds to the impression that TUI have lost the plot!

[Charley B]

Many different aircraft being leased for them at LGW too,noticed that over the last few weeks ,both for short and long haul..an Air Tanker 330 has been here for a few days doing mainly short haul,amongst others ,think that is returning to its base tomorrow..Tui seem to be forever shunting their 787 around between bases

[ROC10]

More perplexing 787 movements today…

G-TUIH (LH config) had been operating as the GLA-based 787 for a while but, on Sunday morning, after arriving from CUN, it positioned to MAN. It sat on the ground at MAN all day on Sunday and is now (according to FR24) due to position back up to GLA on Monday morning.

Meanwhile, G-TUID (SH config but has been operating LH for the last few days) positioned NCL-GLA on Sunday morning to operate GLA-CUN-BHX, and FR24 is showing it’s due to position to LGW on Monday morning.

Further, G-TUIA, which had been at PIK for a few days, positioned PIK-NCL on Sunday morning to operate NCL-MLB-NCL.

So not only do we have 787s positioning around all over the place, we also have SH aircraft flying LH routes while LH aircraft sit on the ground. One has to believe there must be at least some reasoning behind all of this but I would love to hear what that is.