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Old 15th Oct 2022, 15:33
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The shortbread onboard is lovely
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 10:06
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Major turning point

Well, I for one donít believe that this is any kind of coincidence with respect to timing etc. The break up of the U.K. in my opinion is now inevitable and I believe this will be the start of nest feathering for a new National Independent Scottish Airline. If the Scottish Government get involved here in any way, then that will be all the confirmation one needs. Putting that caveat on it, the lease of A220/319, E190ís to operate LHR/European routes is nowhere near beyond the realms of possibility
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 15:11
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Well, I for one donít believe that this is any kind of coincidence with respect to timing etc. The break up of the U.K. in my opinion is now inevitable and I believe this will be the start of nest feathering for a new National Independent Scottish Airline. If the Scottish Government get involved here in any way, then that will be all the confirmation one needs. Putting that caveat on it, the lease of A220/319, E190ís to operate LHR/European routes is nowhere near beyond the realms of possibility

I doubt the Scottish Government could ill afford to get involved pouring money into an airline after nationalising the railways
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 15:27
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I doubt the Scottish Government could ill afford to get involved pouring money into an airline after nationalising the railways
Plus given they supposedly want to rejoin the EU they would need to comply with state aid rules which would be difficult for them.
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 15:31
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If easyJet etc don't eat them alive first...
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 16:36
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The suggestion reads as though no-one else - KLM, easyJet, Ryanair, Air France and many more - would be flying to Scotland if it became independent. I can't see that will be so. Going up against all of those players would be a death-wish and this is an airline which chooses its battles rather than fighting on every possible front.
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 16:53
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Countries in Europe with under 10 million population having a national airline, particularly if state owned, has a rather variable history since 2000. Yes, some like Finnair or Aer Lingus have been around for many years... but plenty of others have struggled to remain independent and financially viable.

In connecting Scotland's outlying regions, Loganair has a nice little niche, and flying thinner routes from Scotland/IOM to the rest of the British Isles should work well. Flying to Germany did not. They have a good CEO right now... but I'm very wary of a potentially state owned airline being pushed into flying to places that make for good political soundbites but are commercially lousy
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 20:15
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Aer Lingus, however, is a part of IAG so is probably not the best example as a surviving independent state airline.
If Scotland became independent would Loganair be able to maintain it's Newcastle base?
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 20:25
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Aer Lingus, however, is a part of IAG so is probably not the best example as a surviving independent state airline.
If Scotland became independent would Loganair be able to maintain it's Newcastle base?
It would depend on the Constitutional arrangement between the two newly indepentent states and what sort of Air Services agreement that they come to.

I think we've strayed far enough from reality now.
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Old 19th Oct 2022, 09:04
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Loganair made a pre tax profit of £4.98millon on turnonver of £162m.

Jonathan Hinkles wrote on LinkedIn, that Loganair is the UKís 3rd largest airline measured by flights and they have signed Loganairís largest ever contract with a new five year agreement with a major logistics company.

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Old 19th Oct 2022, 17:06
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Entire Scotland population 5.5 million. Greater London population 9.5 million. Where would you operate?
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Old 19th Oct 2022, 17:08
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Originally Posted by 055166k View Post
Entire Scotland population 5.5 million. Greater London population 9.5 million. Where would you operate?
Depends how competitive you are or want to be
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 06:24
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post
Loganair made a pre tax profit of £4.98millon on turnonver of £162m.

Jonathan Hinkles wrote on LinkedIn, that Loganair is the UKís 3rd largest airline measured by flights and they have signed Loganairís largest ever contract with a new five year agreement with a major logistics company.
is that really true? Is he conveniently discounting BA, TUI and the EJU/EZS bits of easyJet? Either way itís not a very credible comment to be making.
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 06:40
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CAA stats for July - number of passenger flights. The number of cargo flt make no difference. Not sure why you'd want to include Austrian and Swiss airlines?

EASYJET UK LTD 24,013
BRITISH AIRWAYS PLC 18,288
JET2.COM LTD 12,070
TUI AIRWAYS LTD 8,857
LOGANAIR LTD 5,284
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 07:00
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His words: ďWe were the third largest UK airline measured by flights in the year, safely and securely completing 48,922 sectorsĒ
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https://ukaviation.news/bbc-to-air-a...s-busy-summer/

Don't forget the £££££MMMM's they git for this documentary that was aired on BBC Scotland earlier this year. Probably available on BBC iPlayer, a lot of flight deck footage. Its Tunnocks Caramel Wafers that you get on board not Shotbread lol. Does the money for the essential services to the remote islands come from gov.scot or gov.uk? The two "world's only" flights. Barra beach landing and world's shortest flights are always packed out during the summer. In actual fact the 1mile flight priced at £17 is one of the most expensive seats in the world per seat mile.
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Old 28th Oct 2022, 20:16
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I doubt they were paid anything for taking part. It's all free advertising.
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Old 28th Oct 2022, 22:10
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Originally Posted by smith View Post
https://ukaviation.news/bbc-to-air-a...s-busy-summer/

Its Tunnocks Caramel Wafers that you get on board not Shotbread lol. .... In actual fact the 1mile flight priced at £17 is one of the most expensive seats in the world per seat mile.
I flew on Logan earlier this month, and you get a choice of shortbread or Tunnocks
Re the £17 for the two-mile flight from Papay to Westray: it's part of a bus stop service that goes Kirkwall-Papay-Westray. There's a ferry between the two islands , so the only folks who fly just from Papay to Westray are tourists doing it purely to say they've done it. Any non-tourists who fly the route are folks flying Kirkwall to Westray or Papay to Kirkwall.
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Originally Posted by smith View Post
https://ukaviation.news/bbc-to-air-a...s-busy-summer/

Don't forget the £££££MMMM's they git for this documentary that was aired on BBC Scotland earlier this year. Probably available on BBC iPlayer, a lot of flight deck footage. Its Tunnocks Caramel Wafers that you get on board not Shotbread lol. Does the money for the essential services to the remote islands come from gov.scot or gov.uk? The two "world's only" flights. Barra beach landing and world's shortest flights are always packed out during the summer. In actual fact the 1mile flight priced at £17 is one of the most expensive seats in the world per seat mile.

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Old 29th Oct 2022, 09:00
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Clearly quids-in from the Flybe IOM cancellations with flights on some dates on IOM-LHR up to as much as £235 from their previous £54. Evidently not just focused on serving the island despite what Mr. Hinkles may claim!
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