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I doubt this... They'd almost certainly be more expensive than Ryanair for the leisure market and offer a poor frequency compared to Loganair so with next to no appeal to business travellers.
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I suppose it all depends how much of a puritanical historian you are ! Glasgow - Southampton was initially flown daily by a BUA 1-11-200 in between Gatwick sorties for many years which continued through into BCal until the early 80s.
There was a BA HS748 service which was a Glasgow-Manchester-Birmingham-Southampton in the late 80s, which was short lived.
After that, Loganair was the first nonstop service since the BCal which I recall started in 1991 or 1992, designed to serve the IBM corporate business. It was initially a 2x daily J31 and went to a 4x daily J31 before Edinburgh was also added and J41s arrived.
After that came the BRAL / BA Connect thing with the 145s and then Flybe started up in competition on the Southampton routes about 1997 with 146s. Flybe then were given BA Connect with the dowry to take it off BA’s hands, competition was eliminated and the Q400s came along.
Flybe went bust, Loganair came back with the 145s, Flybe threatened to come back again but pulled those plans and went bankrupt shortly afterwards.
If I’ve missed anything, please say so but I think that’s a potted history of 50 years of Glasgow-Southampton services!
There was a BA HS748 service which was a Glasgow-Manchester-Birmingham-Southampton in the late 80s, which was short lived.
After that, Loganair was the first nonstop service since the BCal which I recall started in 1991 or 1992, designed to serve the IBM corporate business. It was initially a 2x daily J31 and went to a 4x daily J31 before Edinburgh was also added and J41s arrived.
After that came the BRAL / BA Connect thing with the 145s and then Flybe started up in competition on the Southampton routes about 1997 with 146s. Flybe then were given BA Connect with the dowry to take it off BA’s hands, competition was eliminated and the Q400s came along.
Flybe went bust, Loganair came back with the 145s, Flybe threatened to come back again but pulled those plans and went bankrupt shortly afterwards.
If I’ve missed anything, please say so but I think that’s a potted history of 50 years of Glasgow-Southampton services!
BUA started Glasgow to Southampton in 1966 with a Viscount 800, the BAC-1-11-200 started in 1969. Originally a daily service but was reduced to six weekly after Caledonian purchased BUA in 1970. In 1974 BCAL had to reduce their network due to several factors at the time and Glasgow to Southampton ended in September 1974.
The short lived British Airways HS-748 service that operated to Southampton between 1987/88 I believe originated in Edinburgh rather than Glasgow. The routing was Edinburgh-Manchester-Birmingham-Southampton, it could have even originated from Aberdeen. I used the flight a couple of times whilst it existed.
Loganair inaugurated Edinburgh/Glasgow to Southampton in October 1991.
If easyJet start then Loganair leave. I doubt there's room for both, look at the IOM. There's very few regional routes with both high volume leisure and high frequency connectivity.
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In danger of going off-topic but the runway wouldn't appear to be overly restrictive at the moment for a A319 to EDI or GLA. If Easy were going to start why haven't they already?
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Last edited by stewyb; 12th Mar 2023 at 10:30.
Probably more to do with lack of apron space (no large aircraft stands) and airfield performance prohibitive in warmer temps, even Loganair struggle with summer temps currently. All of this is being rectified come August so let’s wait and see. Do agree however that an EZY schedule to EDI would go down very well with people on the south coast
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A little more expensive than RYR but significantly less expensive than Loganair. The business travel market is now a fraction of what it was so cheaper fares with less frequency is the way to go with 186 full seats x whatever weekly!
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GIB have a marginally longer runway and offer Airbus flights as far as EDI, albeit probably seat restricted.
As I said, I don't see the runway length currently realistically being much of a restriction on an airbus 319 hopping to Scotland.
As I said, I don't see the runway length currently realistically being much of a restriction on an airbus 319 hopping to Scotland.
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Agreed but SOU is penalised rather heavily by reduced TORA/TODA declarations
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I think we're going off topic completely here but I don't see any restriction which would stop easyjet chucking a 319 on flights to EDI at present considering several operators have flown larger aircraft greater distances from the airport in the past.
Maybe the opportunity to operate longer sun routes from the airport might entice them in to also do shorter routes alongside....
Maybe the opportunity to operate longer sun routes from the airport might entice them in to also do shorter routes alongside....
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easyJet already fly SOU-GVA with the 319/320. If they wanted to fly shorter sectors from SOU to EDI, GLA, BFS, AMS etc then there is no technical reason as to why they couldn’t have done it already. That they haven’t is clear, but the reasons less so.
The comments about winter temperatures are also a bit of a false trail. The bigger impact on performance is a wet runway, which you’re more likely to get in winter.
The comments about winter temperatures are also a bit of a false trail. The bigger impact on performance is a wet runway, which you’re more likely to get in winter.
I’m not sure a breakdown of EZY’s current, and potential, route network from SOU qualifies as “rumour”.
Let’s get it back on track. Any more word on Loganair’s bid to get some LHR slots?
Let’s get it back on track. Any more word on Loganair’s bid to get some LHR slots?