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As always with FR, schedule clearly still a work in progress.....
Warsaw Modlin and Bydgoszcz now off sale from the end of April. Their other Polish routes Poznan and Krakow are currently still bookable.
Paris Beauvais showing 7 flights a week (2 flights Tues and Sat, 1 on Thurs/Fri/Sun, no flights Mon or Wed) but all showing sold out which implies the schedule or the route itself are far from confirmed
Tirana not yet bookable but only just announced so will probably appear in next few days
Perhaps more changes to come?
Warsaw Modlin and Bydgoszcz now off sale from the end of April. Their other Polish routes Poznan and Krakow are currently still bookable.
Paris Beauvais showing 7 flights a week (2 flights Tues and Sat, 1 on Thurs/Fri/Sun, no flights Mon or Wed) but all showing sold out which implies the schedule or the route itself are far from confirmed
Tirana not yet bookable but only just announced so will probably appear in next few days
Perhaps more changes to come?
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As always with FR, schedule clearly still a work in progress.....
Warsaw Modlin and Bydgoszcz now off sale from the end of April. Their other Polish routes Poznan and Krakow are currently still bookable.
Paris Beauvais showing 7 flights a week (2 flights Tues and Sat, 1 on Thurs/Fri/Sun, no flights Mon or Wed) but all showing sold out which implies the schedule or the route itself are far from confirmed
Tirana not yet bookable but only just announced so will probably appear in next few days
Perhaps more changes to come?
Warsaw Modlin and Bydgoszcz now off sale from the end of April. Their other Polish routes Poznan and Krakow are currently still bookable.
Paris Beauvais showing 7 flights a week (2 flights Tues and Sat, 1 on Thurs/Fri/Sun, no flights Mon or Wed) but all showing sold out which implies the schedule or the route itself are far from confirmed
Tirana not yet bookable but only just announced so will probably appear in next few days
Perhaps more changes to come?
Pete
Morning all, just thought I would check that this thread was still running as most of the discussion seems to have jumped over to the MAN forum. 🙄
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This happens quite often that info is relevent to both sides but hey ho.
One question has been asked, what do Brummies think of HS2 ex Birmingham to that common just outside London
is it good bad, bad or indifferent
One question has been asked, what do Brummies think of HS2 ex Birmingham to that common just outside London
is it good bad, bad or indifferent
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BHX will still be in great place as it will be linked directly to HS2 and pax can get to London (Old Oak Common) in well under an hour.
As I mentioned before it puts BHX in London Transports Zone 5 in terms of commuting time.
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My view is the same as BHX's - It needs to go Euston and Manchester to make it viable, but the massive overspend so far has lead to the leg North of Birmingham to be axed and the Euston part will need to be privatly funded.
BHX will still be in great place as it will be linked directly to HS2 and pax can get to London (Old Oak Common) in well under an hour.
As I mentioned before it puts BHX in London Transports Zone 5 in terms of commuting time.
BHX will still be in great place as it will be linked directly to HS2 and pax can get to London (Old Oak Common) in well under an hour.
As I mentioned before it puts BHX in London Transports Zone 5 in terms of commuting time.
Thats a truly massive amount of money lost . Oh and the extent of tunnels from London to Amersham to appease a few grey haired wealthy baby-boomers and the odd newt
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I do not see the benefit of HS2 for BHX when pax will have to transfer from BHX to the actual HS2 station a few miles away and then end up in west London (ironically not that far from LHR) to change trains again to get into central London and beyond. Are airlines really going to buy into that as an alternative to LHR? No they won't, they'll stick with LHR where the slots are far more valuable to them, it's an airport the whole world knows and it takes the equivalent time (albeit also with a change and covering far less miles) to get into central London using the Elizabeth Line + Underground.
BHX needs to carry on doing what it's doing pretty well right now which is to offer a wide range of short haul European destinations and airlines plus long haul suited for the needs of the many different VFR communities in it's catchment.
Sadly IMO it's not going to become a global gateway to the UK because of HS2.
BHX needs to carry on doing what it's doing pretty well right now which is to offer a wide range of short haul European destinations and airlines plus long haul suited for the needs of the many different VFR communities in it's catchment.
Sadly IMO it's not going to become a global gateway to the UK because of HS2.
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I do not see the benefit of HS2 for BHX when pax will have to transfer from BHX to the actual HS2 station a few miles away and then end up in west London (ironically not that far from LHR) to change trains again to get into central London and beyond. Are airlines really going to buy into that as an alternative to LHR? No they won't, they'll stick with LHR where the slots are far more valuable to them, it's an airport the whole world knows and it takes the equivalent time (albeit also with a change and covering far less miles) to get into central London using the Elizabeth Line + Underground.
BHX needs to carry on doing what it's doing pretty well right now which is to offer a wide range of short haul European destinations and airlines plus long haul suited for the needs of the many different VFR communities in it's catchment.
Sadly IMO it's not going to become a global gateway to the UK because of HS2.
BHX needs to carry on doing what it's doing pretty well right now which is to offer a wide range of short haul European destinations and airlines plus long haul suited for the needs of the many different VFR communities in it's catchment.
Sadly IMO it's not going to become a global gateway to the UK because of HS2.
One should also remember that the cost of travelling there and back between BHX and central London via HS2 will not be anywhere near as cheap as from LHR. HS2 has to be paid for... and that means higher train fares. Those who live in London will definite realise about the train fares. Even with higher airport fees, that keeps LHR flights significantly cheaper for travel to London than BHX
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I suppose one way of getting to LHR and back is if the Heathrow Express stops at Old Oak Common to pick up/drop off passengers instead of having the hassle of travelling into Central London. However I won’t hold my breath on that one
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Completely different track, isn't it?
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Old Oak Common Station is being built at the junction with and directly above the line from and to Paddington !
The lower platforms are expected to be served by Elizabeth Line trains although they could just as easily be Heathrow Express or GWR trains,
Caveat to consider is who will mange the lower platform as three differing types of rail operators are involved - Elizabeth Line is managed by TFL, Heathrow Express is a commercial Open Access business and GWR a normal franchise TOC and all run on the same rails !
The lower platforms are expected to be served by Elizabeth Line trains although they could just as easily be Heathrow Express or GWR trains,
Caveat to consider is who will mange the lower platform as three differing types of rail operators are involved - Elizabeth Line is managed by TFL, Heathrow Express is a commercial Open Access business and GWR a normal franchise TOC and all run on the same rails !
Old Oak Common Station is being built at the junction with and directly above the line from and to Paddington !
The lower platforms are expected to be served by Elizabeth Line trains although they could just as easily be Heathrow Express or GWR trains,
Caveat to consider is who will mange the lower platform as three differing types of rail operators are involved - Elizabeth Line is managed by TFL, Heathrow Express is a commercial Open Access business and GWR a normal franchise TOC and all run on the same rails !
The lower platforms are expected to be served by Elizabeth Line trains although they could just as easily be Heathrow Express or GWR trains,
Caveat to consider is who will mange the lower platform as three differing types of rail operators are involved - Elizabeth Line is managed by TFL, Heathrow Express is a commercial Open Access business and GWR a normal franchise TOC and all run on the same rails !
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The potential HS2 benefits to Elmdon were from the Northern sections especially towards the East Midlands and we can be certain that ain’t happening in the next forty years.
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IMHO anyone who relies on rail to get to or from BHX (or indeed any airport) is just asking for disaster. Given the past year + of disruption, and not only due to strikes, there must have been a lot of very disappointed people who missed flights.
Admittedly, I am in the happy position of living in Brum and can, and do, takes taxis when I’m using BHX.
Admittedly, I am in the happy position of living in Brum and can, and do, takes taxis when I’m using BHX.
IMHO anyone who relies on rail to get to or from BHX (or indeed any airport) is just asking for disaster. Given the past year + of disruption, and not only due to strikes, there must have been a lot of very disappointed people who missed flights.
Admittedly, I am in the happy position of living in Brum and can, and do, takes taxis when I’m using BHX.
Admittedly, I am in the happy position of living in Brum and can, and do, takes taxis when I’m using BHX.
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Summer update - Aegean gone again
I have had a look at some of the booking engines prompted by the removal of BHX from the Aegean booking engine and quite a bit has been going on by the look of it although not gone through all the BHX operators as yet and just sample checking various dates
Not too many positives today but Aer Lingus seem to be retaining the A320 on EI262 compared to last summer with the AT76 and Belfast City is 5 daily every weekday
Air France is showing 4 daily outside of summer peak in the week 2 x HOP and 2 x A223
Swiss restore double daily Monday and Friday for summer
Lufthansa restore Frankfurt to just below pre-covid levels with 4 daily on 4 days and 3 daily on 3 days but Munich appear appears to be reduced to 2 daily permanently - night-stop removed
Turkish (3rd service 11/6 on certain days), Sun Express (12 AYT & 9 DLM) of course have significant increases plus there is Corendon and Pegasus as well
Brussels Airlines - Also looking like a permanent reduction to 5 per week from summer all A319 Monday Friday with no night-stop (BHX management probably won't mind that aspect)
SAS - staying 6 per week no double daily Monday Thursday Friday as yet
Vueling - return to daily Barcelona service seems to be delayed to 21st June with Wednesday and Friday missing. From 1 May to 21st June BHX has 4 operators but not a daily service and the one day missing is a busy passenger day - Friday. Easyjet offer it in April but the Ryanair service was cut long ago but offers 2 Monday flights and Jet2 are Thursday & Sunday. I assume just a quirk but frustrating for the traveller 15 flights a week but none on a Friday.
Eurowings - Prague restored 2 per week and Dusseldorf 3 daily Tuesday-Thursday is back
Saudia - Still 3 per week showing but 2 x 78X's some weeks but no change as yet for EK and QR
TUI - Hurghada reduced to 2 per week but Palma up to 11 per week from July
easyjet occasionally showing a third daily flight on Amsterdam on some Thursday and Fridays plus a 6th Belfast on a Friday peak season. They have added a second CDG on a Sunday for February half term and the Thursday and Sunday Geneva increases started this week amongst general cuts.
Pete
Not too many positives today but Aer Lingus seem to be retaining the A320 on EI262 compared to last summer with the AT76 and Belfast City is 5 daily every weekday
Air France is showing 4 daily outside of summer peak in the week 2 x HOP and 2 x A223
Swiss restore double daily Monday and Friday for summer
Lufthansa restore Frankfurt to just below pre-covid levels with 4 daily on 4 days and 3 daily on 3 days but Munich appear appears to be reduced to 2 daily permanently - night-stop removed
Turkish (3rd service 11/6 on certain days), Sun Express (12 AYT & 9 DLM) of course have significant increases plus there is Corendon and Pegasus as well
Brussels Airlines - Also looking like a permanent reduction to 5 per week from summer all A319 Monday Friday with no night-stop (BHX management probably won't mind that aspect)
SAS - staying 6 per week no double daily Monday Thursday Friday as yet
Vueling - return to daily Barcelona service seems to be delayed to 21st June with Wednesday and Friday missing. From 1 May to 21st June BHX has 4 operators but not a daily service and the one day missing is a busy passenger day - Friday. Easyjet offer it in April but the Ryanair service was cut long ago but offers 2 Monday flights and Jet2 are Thursday & Sunday. I assume just a quirk but frustrating for the traveller 15 flights a week but none on a Friday.
Eurowings - Prague restored 2 per week and Dusseldorf 3 daily Tuesday-Thursday is back
Saudia - Still 3 per week showing but 2 x 78X's some weeks but no change as yet for EK and QR
TUI - Hurghada reduced to 2 per week but Palma up to 11 per week from July
easyjet occasionally showing a third daily flight on Amsterdam on some Thursday and Fridays plus a 6th Belfast on a Friday peak season. They have added a second CDG on a Sunday for February half term and the Thursday and Sunday Geneva increases started this week amongst general cuts.
Pete