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Old 3rd Oct 2022, 22:14
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Thought it was only 8 738s this summer with the 9th dropping in for the school holiday season from EDI ?
Sorry, I wasn’t clear. For S23 it will, apparently, go up to 10 during the 6 week period.

I am not sure if the 8 will increase to 9 outside of that period but I’m sure there’ll be someone closer to it than I am that can confirm.
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 17:16
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Jet2 really nipping at the heels of TUI UK now - amazing that such a huge multinational company could allow this to happen - well done to Jet2! With no new bases on the horizon could we see W flights to unserved UK airports to further close the gap on TUI?

https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/tour...-atol-renewals


Jet2holidays closed the gap on Tui UK in the latest round of Atol renewals to leave the big-two groups almost neck and neck for the title of UK’s biggest tour operator. Tui remains the UK number one with a licence for 5,336,410 public sales over the 12 months to September 2023, up from about 5.1 million this summer. But Jet2holidays is now only just behind with an Atol for exactly 5.3 million public sales, barely 36,000 behind Tui, an increase from 4.656 million this summer and from 3.8 million in the spring. More: Jet2 and Jet2holidays raise capacity to Greece Jet2 boss hails package holidays as right for ‘challenging economic times’ Tui to increase winter flights from UK to Barbados The latest renewal sees Jet2holidays surpass its previous highest Atol total of 4.8 million in the March 2020 renewals which proved impossible to fulfil because of the Covid-19 pandemic. However, Tui UK is also licensed for additional Atol-protected sales. Tui cruise line Marella Cruises is licensed for 245,715, and Tui UK is licensed for 177,661 Atol-to-Atol sales – taking its total Atol licence numbers to 5,759,786. Together, the big two anticipate carrying more than 11 million Atol-protected holidaymakers over the coming winter and next summer in a show of confidence in the UK market. On the Beach with an Atol for 1,863,023 sales, We Love Holidays with 1,854,038 and easyJet Holidays with 1,294,465 make up the top-five licence holders. On the Beach has increased its licence by more than 600,000 compared to the Atol it held for summer 2020 and We Love Holidays grown by almost 800,000. Atol numbers can vary over the course of a licensing period, but a significant variation must be signed off by the regulator, the CAA. Commenting on Tui’s Atol increase, Tui UK and Ireland managing director Andrew Flintham told Travel Weekly: “It’s really positive. The industry is back. We’re seeing growth across all our destinations. “Despite a lot of gloom about the economic future, it’s clear that people still value their holidays and we have great confidence and solid forward bookings.” Jet2 and Jet2holidays chief executive Steve Heapy said the company’s focus was not on being the biggest Atol holder, but added its ongoing strong performance allowed it to continue to increase its licence. More: Jet2 and Jet2holidays raise capacity to Greece Jet2 boss hails package holidays as right for ‘challenging economic times’ Tui to increase winter flights from UK to Barbados
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 19:14
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I think Jet2 would easily overtake TUI if they were to introduce a longhaul holiday problem.
im not saying now is the right time or that they are set up to do it, It’s just an opinion.
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Old 11th Oct 2022, 14:42
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Jet2 Summer 2024 on sale

Sumner 2024 went on sale this morning.

Newcastle to Chania in Crete is new. 1 x weekly Thursday flight. Will update once more routes are announced
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Old 11th Oct 2022, 17:08
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Originally Posted by SJL26779 View Post
Sumner 2024 went on sale this morning.

Newcastle to Chania in Crete is new. 1 x weekly Thursday flight. Will update once more routes are announced
What? Summer 2022 hasn't yet wrapped up. Of course releasing a program 18 months ahead is little but a naked (and clearly successful) ruse to get extra cashflow during the winter season but, really nobody knows where we'll be in July 2024, a fair few of us will likely be no longer here at all, many will have lost their jobs, some others become divorced or separated and I'm not being morbid there, just realistic.

One thing is certain, no matter how small the deposit is, there is no way I would give any business any of my hard earned cash up to two years before I use their service. That money is better in my bank than theirs!
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Old 11th Oct 2022, 17:35
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2 years ahead is a long time to be making a commitment for an airline. Between now and April 2023, ie the main summer booking season, there's a huge amount of information to be gained by analysing customer behaviour patterns - ie where pax use their credit cards, as well as looking at how the economic and political situation develops. In return for the cashflow, Jet2 is committing itself (or risking annoying pax by making changes to their booking)

Does the winter cashflow outweigh these risks, constraints and other gaps in knowledge ?
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Old 11th Oct 2022, 18:39
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Does the winter cashflow outweigh these risks, constraints and other gaps in knowledge ?
Guess so, or they wouldn't be doing it.
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Old 11th Oct 2022, 21:03
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Guess so, or they wouldn't be doing it.
Yet FlyBe, Monarch etc did similar?
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Old 11th Oct 2022, 22:02
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount View Post
Yet FlyBe, Monarch etc did similar?
I don't recall Flybe putting flights on sale 18 months or so in advance?
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Old 12th Oct 2022, 12:39
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
What? Summer 2022 hasn't yet wrapped up. Of course releasing a program 18 months ahead is little but a naked (and clearly successful) ruse to get extra cashflow during the winter season but, really nobody knows where we'll be in July 2024, a fair few of us will likely be no longer here at all, many will have lost their jobs, some others become divorced or separated and I'm not being morbid there, just realistic.

One thing is certain, no matter how small the deposit is, there is no way I would give any business any of my hard earned cash up to two years before I use their service. That money is better in my bank than theirs!
Jet2 keep customers cash separate until the flight/holiday has taken place.
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Old 12th Oct 2022, 13:05
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The other way of looking at it is that the deposit is only £60 per person and it will then fix the price of your holiday for 2024. You can bet the longer you wait, the more prices will increase. Just my view!
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Old 12th Oct 2022, 13:06
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount View Post
Yet FlyBe, Monarch etc did similar?
Did they? and what's that got to do with what Jet2 do, and have been doing successfully?
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Old 12th Oct 2022, 17:46
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Jet2 Summer 2024

7 UK bases have been released so far.

Belfast International, Bristol, Edinburgh, East Midlands, Glasgow, Leeds Bradford and Newcastle International Airports.

The new routes from the seven bases on sale today are as follows:

Bristol– new weekly services to Izmir
Bristol– brand-new weekly services to Bourgas (Bulgaria)
Bristol– new weekly services to Costa de Almeria
Bristol– brand-new twice weekly services to Naples
East Midlands– brand-new weekly service to Crete (Chania)
East Midlands– brand-new weekly service to Naples
Newcastle International– brand-new weekly flights to Crete (Chania)

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Old 12th Oct 2022, 18:47
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Shame there's still no Gatwick..
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Old 12th Oct 2022, 18:51
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Originally Posted by SJL26779 View Post
7 UK bases have been released so far.

Belfast International, Bristol, Edinburgh, East Midlands, Glasgow, Leeds Bradford and Newcastle International Airports.

The new routes from the seven bases on sale today are as follows:

Bristol– new weekly services to Izmir
Bristol– brand-new weekly services to Bourgas (Bulgaria)
Bristol– new weekly services to Costa de Almeria
Bristol– brand-new twice weekly services to Naples
East Midlands– brand-new weekly service to Crete (Chania)
East Midlands– brand-new weekly service to Naples
Newcastle International– brand-new weekly flights to Crete (Chania)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but BRS-LEI and BRS-ADB operated this year...and still are for the remainder of S22, currently bookable.

They will then not operate for S23. And return for S24.

Is this a case of making out "new" routes are "new" when in fact they are not?

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Old 12th Oct 2022, 18:58
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Is this a case of making out "new" routes are "new" when in fact they are not?
They are "new" as opposed to "brand-new" - this is marketing, not history!
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Old 12th Oct 2022, 21:03
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Did they? and what's that got to do with what Jet2 do, and have been doing successfully?
Risking cashflow in very unpredictable times, its only 2022…But of course Jet2 can do no wrong…
https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/regu...of-cheap-money
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount View Post
Risking cashflow in very unpredictable times, its only 2022…But of course Jet2 can do no wrong…
https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/regu...of-cheap-money
They do seem to do most things right!
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Old 12th Oct 2022, 23:09
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount View Post
Risking cashflow in very unpredictable times, its only 2022…But of course Jet2 can do no wrong…
https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/regu...of-cheap-money
How does selling Holidays early risk Cashflow?
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Selling holidays early at a lot higher prices and securing the higher yield/margins? sounds like common sense to me
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