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“I am struggling to find a quote from the mayor saying “agreed and in the bank”. Would you mind sharing?”
Hospital radio interview posted 25 June, “we have already have new destinations in the bank” and “we have secured more flights but we are not allowed to talk about them until Sept or Oct”.
I saved the link in anticipation of the big announcement but now getting an error 404 message.
Hospital radio interview posted 25 June, “we have already have new destinations in the bank” and “we have secured more flights but we are not allowed to talk about them until Sept or Oct”.
I saved the link in anticipation of the big announcement but now getting an error 404 message.
If I were a betting man, I’d guess that was the truth but the deal was with the devil (a reference someone made in the past to doing business with Ryanair) and Ryanair have changed their mind or delayed the announcement due to aircraft shortages or financial reasons.
That said,,,,maybe it could be announced on Monday….
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The article will no doubt by very positive and biased, although that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think there will be Peel bashing with cheap references to the closure myth and they will deliberately overlook the 2017 refurbishment to claim neglect of the terminal
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He has admitted in conversation that the Peel building houses on the runway story was invented to justify paying over the odds for the airport but then repeats the myth in posts to his followers and it seems that some still believe him.
I'd agree, it sounds plausible but suggests that MME isn't a gold mine for RYR.
At least more definitive news,views and honest thoughts are shared on this thread!
I wish I could stop reading the Facebook pages of Ben and the airport..they are almost cult like in their blinkered views..however I can’t!
Nice to get back to the real world on here👍
2 more Easy Jets for storage today..parking must now be at a premium?
I wish I could stop reading the Facebook pages of Ben and the airport..they are almost cult like in their blinkered views..however I can’t!
Nice to get back to the real world on here👍
2 more Easy Jets for storage today..parking must now be at a premium?
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I have told you many many times that "Ingleby Barwick MkII" was a truth not a myth.
This was personally told to me by a Council Director who signs the cheques and deals for one of the Councils involved. He told me that "only Stockton & Darlington Councils would be the winners with all the new Council Tax income streams made by all the new houses. The Councils wanted to close the airport but could not be seen to do it themselves as it would be political suicide, hence the sale. The Councils wanted Ingleby Barwick MkII built." This was long before Houchen came on scene. So how can Houchen have made it up. Also TVCA didn't pay over the odds for the Airport. When the Councils sold shares for 500k in the deal the land value was 40m. Peel could have pushed for more as land values had risen since that deal, but agreed to settle for the value from when they first made the deal with the Councils years ago.
The question that needs to be asked is why did the six Labour Councils at the time sell an airport with land value of 40m for 500k to be split between six.
I like how you keep saying this when it is absolute utter tosh.
I have told you many many times that "Ingleby Barwick MkII" was a truth not a myth.
This was personally told to me by a Council Director who signs the cheques and deals for one of the Councils involved. He told me that "only Stockton & Darlington Councils would be the winners with all the new Council Tax income streams made by all the new houses. The Councils wanted to close the airport but could not be seen to do it themselves as it would be political suicide, hence the sale. The Councils wanted Ingleby Barwick MkII built." This was long before Houchen came on scene. So how can Houchen have made it up. Also TVCA didn't pay over the odds for the Airport. When the Councils sold shares for 500k in the deal the land value was 40m. Peel could have pushed for more as land values had risen since that deal, but agreed to settle for the value from when they first made the deal with the Councils years ago.
The question that needs to be asked is why did the six Labour Councils at the time sell an airport with land value of 40m for 500k to be split between six.
I have told you many many times that "Ingleby Barwick MkII" was a truth not a myth.
This was personally told to me by a Council Director who signs the cheques and deals for one of the Councils involved. He told me that "only Stockton & Darlington Councils would be the winners with all the new Council Tax income streams made by all the new houses. The Councils wanted to close the airport but could not be seen to do it themselves as it would be political suicide, hence the sale. The Councils wanted Ingleby Barwick MkII built." This was long before Houchen came on scene. So how can Houchen have made it up. Also TVCA didn't pay over the odds for the Airport. When the Councils sold shares for 500k in the deal the land value was 40m. Peel could have pushed for more as land values had risen since that deal, but agreed to settle for the value from when they first made the deal with the Councils years ago.
The question that needs to be asked is why did the six Labour Councils at the time sell an airport with land value of 40m for 500k to be split between six.
Dont forget that at the time small airports across the country were growing exponentially on the back of low cost airlines, and Peel had successfully facilitated growth at Liverpool which was an undeniable success story and were also planning to replicate that success at Finningley. Alas, Peel attempted the stack em high sell em cheap ethos at MME and DSA and it didn’t work. So it probably was at the time a case of sell it off to someone who can turn it around, or let it carry on with limited resources or expertise to drive it forward.
In areas of economic malaise airports are a beacon of hope, so long as the proles can get to Benidorm for a few quid they’re happy, and by virtue of that they are a political vote winner! BH and his counterparts in SY are therefore jumping into this with both feet under the guise of economic regeneration…
Here we go again - "He said, she said". Lets try and stick to what's in the public domain
Pug is right - this was the rationale published at the time. After Sheffield City and DSA it's easy to write off Peel as property developers who close airports but thats to ignore their initial success at Teesside before that was derailed by world events (sound familiar?) and how the airport and the area around it has been transformed at LPL - Teesside would give their right arm for half that.
The only evidence for housing at MME is the Peel plan to build houses near the terminal on part of the car park and the area where Willis have proposed their Airport Village - none of this was airside or would have directly affected airfield operations. The public intention was that the profits from this would be used to fund the so far mythical profit making, job creating southside business park. Don't forget that the airfield site as a whole is a complex, dirty, polluted brownfield site, something that the Teesside area doesn't seem to be short of.
Possibly a bit harsh but all talk of "Global Connectivity" has been dropped - the comments you read are around how you easy it is go on holiday to Spain not about how my customers/investors are flying in from New York, London, Paris, Munich
The question that needs to be asked is why did the six Labour Councils at the time sell an airport with land value of 40m for 500k to be split between six.
Dont forget that at the time small airports across the country were growing exponentially on the back of low cost airlines, and Peel had successfully facilitated growth at Liverpool which was an undeniable success story and were also planning to replicate that success at Finningley. Alas, Peel attempted the stack em high sell em cheap ethos at MME and DSA and it didn’t work. So it probably was at the time a case of sell it off to someone who can turn it around, or let it carry on with limited resources or expertise to drive it forward.
Dont forget that at the time small airports across the country were growing exponentially on the back of low cost airlines, and Peel had successfully facilitated growth at Liverpool which was an undeniable success story and were also planning to replicate that success at Finningley. Alas, Peel attempted the stack em high sell em cheap ethos at MME and DSA and it didn’t work. So it probably was at the time a case of sell it off to someone who can turn it around, or let it carry on with limited resources or expertise to drive it forward.
He has admitted in conversation that the Peel building houses on the runway story was invented to justify paying over the odds for the airport but then repeats the myth in posts to his followers and it seems that some still believe him.
I have told you many many times that "Ingleby Barwick MkII" was a truth not a myth. This was personally told to me by a Council Director who signs the cheques and deals for one of the Councils involved.
I have told you many many times that "Ingleby Barwick MkII" was a truth not a myth. This was personally told to me by a Council Director who signs the cheques and deals for one of the Councils involved.
In areas of economic malaise airports are a beacon of hope, so long as the proles can get to Benidorm for a few quid they’re happy, and by virtue of that they are a political vote winner! BH and his counterparts in SY are therefore jumping into this with both feet under the guise of economic regeneration…
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"The only evidence for housing at MME is the Peel plan to build houses near the terminal on part of the car park and the area where Willis have proposed their Airport Village - none of this was airside or would have directly affected airfield operations".
Spot on. It was part of the Peel development plan that was approved by the Authority to build a number of houses (my recollection is about 100?) along with a South Side business park (adapted by their successors) to fund the development. Closing the airport to build houses was never mentioned appart from by a certain political but only after the purchase and ofcourse a member of this group who seems to get private secret briefings from senior officers that contradict the publicly minuted adgendour.
Spot on. It was part of the Peel development plan that was approved by the Authority to build a number of houses (my recollection is about 100?) along with a South Side business park (adapted by their successors) to fund the development. Closing the airport to build houses was never mentioned appart from by a certain political but only after the purchase and ofcourse a member of this group who seems to get private secret briefings from senior officers that contradict the publicly minuted adgendour.
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So.do the local authorities gain any revenue at all now from the airport?
Maybe the airport in the guise above..limited services..but a functional airport..coupled with regular stream of income from that limited housing development..might, just might have provided a reliable source of income to the councils?
Oh well..off to Alicante we go !
Maybe the airport in the guise above..limited services..but a functional airport..coupled with regular stream of income from that limited housing development..might, just might have provided a reliable source of income to the councils?
Oh well..off to Alicante we go !
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"The only evidence for housing at MME is the Peel plan to build houses near the terminal on part of the car park and the area where Willis have proposed their Airport Village - none of this was airside or would have directly affected airfield operations".
Spot on. It was part of the Peel development plan that was approved by the Authority to build a number of houses (my recollection is about 100?) along with a South Side business park (adapted by their successors) to fund the development. Closing the airport to build houses was never mentioned appart from by a certain political but only after the purchase and ofcourse a member of this group who seems to get private secret briefings from senior officers that contradict the publicly minuted adgendour.
Spot on. It was part of the Peel development plan that was approved by the Authority to build a number of houses (my recollection is about 100?) along with a South Side business park (adapted by their successors) to fund the development. Closing the airport to build houses was never mentioned appart from by a certain political but only after the purchase and ofcourse a member of this group who seems to get private secret briefings from senior officers that contradict the publicly minuted adgendour.
Those that worked or had any involvment at MME under Peel know how they looked to run the place and how they treated staff. Alongside their clear statements on closure any 'man on the Clapham omnibus' could see their plan.
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"The only evidence for housing at MME is the Peel plan to build houses near the terminal on part of the car park and the area where Willis have proposed their Airport Village - none of this was airside or would have directly affected airfield operations".
Spot on. It was part of the Peel development plan that was approved by the Authority to build a number of houses (my recollection is about 100?) along with a South Side business park (adapted by their successors) to fund the development. Closing the airport to build houses was never mentioned appart from by a certain political but only after the purchase and ofcourse a member of this group who seems to get private secret briefings from senior officers that contradict the publicly minuted adgendour.
Spot on. It was part of the Peel development plan that was approved by the Authority to build a number of houses (my recollection is about 100?) along with a South Side business park (adapted by their successors) to fund the development. Closing the airport to build houses was never mentioned appart from by a certain political but only after the purchase and ofcourse a member of this group who seems to get private secret briefings from senior officers that contradict the publicly minuted adgendour.
It was well known years before Houchen came on scene. But you don't like to hear that because it knocks your agenda.
At least one thing when I talk I don't go beetroot red sucked in rage smirking and chuckling while stood in front of me saying "thats utterly totally wrong. you haven't got a clue what your talking about. Houchen has admitted it was a lie and he made it up."
When I asked when did he say this you say it was said in front of staff. I was told about it, I wasn't there.
Everything you say is formed from what someone else's opinion is. Never your own opinion from your own research which you admit.
What I say about Ingleby Barwick MkII being built came directly from one of the Council Directors involved at the time which I was told about 5-7 years before Houchen came on scene.
How come the Labour Councils tried soo in vain not to release any details even when demanded in Court. But one Council did spill some details in Court. Hence how we at least know it was sold for 500k, which was certainly in the public domain at the time.
So it is crystal clear that Houchen certainly never made it up.
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Time to look at the present and future of Teesside forget what was or wasn't said or what happened or didn't happen in the past
time to move on arguing and discussing the past isn't going to change anything the future development and improvement are the only things that matter
time to move on arguing and discussing the past isn't going to change anything the future development and improvement are the only things that matter
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I do look forward to the future and can see a balanced view. But when certain someone says "its a failed airport always has and always will be it will never change. Wasting public money on a failed airport is ludicrous and out of order."
You have got to call that out and emphasise the improvements that has been seen. As the negative attitude doesn't help and business people hearing/ seeing them sort of comments can scare investment away. In my town I have business investors join local social media groups (it is well known in business) to get a feel for the area and its residents to help in determining a case of where to locate their next investments. Some have been put off by the way negative talk portrayed on the social media groups, some have come round after talking to others and made investments.
Things are getting better but he doesn't want to see that even when presented with facts he dismisses them and always talking the airport down.
You have got to call that out and emphasise the improvements that has been seen. As the negative attitude doesn't help and business people hearing/ seeing them sort of comments can scare investment away. In my town I have business investors join local social media groups (it is well known in business) to get a feel for the area and its residents to help in determining a case of where to locate their next investments. Some have been put off by the way negative talk portrayed on the social media groups, some have come round after talking to others and made investments.
Things are getting better but he doesn't want to see that even when presented with facts he dismisses them and always talking the airport down.